In the ever-evolving landscape of political discourse, few figures provoke as much conversation as Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon. Their recent remarks regarding the escalating tensions between Israel and Iran have stirred significant debate, particularly among supporters and detractors of the MAGA movement. As they delve into the implications of this conflict, their assertions raise important questions about the narratives being propagated and the potential consequences for Trump’s political legacy. In this post, we will fact-check their statements, providing clarity amidst the uncertainties surrounding geopolitical conflicts and their perceived impacts on domestic political ideologies. Join us as we unpack the claims made in this controversial dialogue and explore the realities behind the rhetoric.

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[00:00:00,500]: Donald J Trump gets elected in November on the back of this amazing coalition unprecedented coalition different parts of American society

[00:00:08,180]: You never thought of anything in common

[00:00:10,380]: Trump paints a picture that makes it really obvious that the old structure left versus right Democrat versus Republican is basically BS and a control device I think

[00:00:21,040]: This is my interpretation anyway

[00:00:22,579]: So he creates this brand new coalition

[00:00:24,739]: New York Times writes almost nothing about it because it’s such a massive threat

[00:00:27,219]: But this coalition which you described earlier and more precisely than anybody by far is the defining fact of American politics and it kind of feels like it’s being blown up over this war on Iran

[00:00:44,500]: That’s my observation

[00:00:46,200]: Correct me

[00:00:47,259]: Well I think if you look at the three planks stop the forever wars seal the border and deport the illegal alien invaders and redo the commercial relationships in the world around trade deals and bring high value added manufacturing jobs back here they’re trying to shut all three down

[00:01:08,839]: But the one that they’re obsessed with the most which I find strange is the forever wars

[00:01:15,779]: They’ve got to be in the forever wars and particularly in the Middle East

[00:01:18,900]: I’m a big supporter of Israel

[00:01:20,800]: And I’m telling people hey if we get sucked into this war which inexorably looks like it’s going to happen on the combat side it’s going to not just blow up the coalition

[00:01:31,480]: It’s also going to thwart what we’re doing with the most important thing which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here

[00:01:38,900]: If we don’t do that we don’t have a country

[00:01:41,099]: And you just see right now they’re doubling tripling out

[00:01:43,739]: This is actually potentially a real civil war in our biggest cities

[00:01:47,620]: And President Trump has to have our backing

[00:01:49,319]: And this came out of nowhere

[00:01:51,800]: I mean the trade deals you saw he put together the Liberation Day but they’ve been thinking about it a long time

[00:01:56,819]: I mean Trump’s been talking about this since Lou Dobbs back in the 90s

[00:01:59,540]: He lays that out there

[00:02:00,800]: It’s very sophisticated

[00:02:02,000]: He’s got Scott Besant running around with Lutnick

[00:02:04,319]: They’re trying to make these deals

[00:02:06,860]: He’s sealed the border already in the first 60 days

[00:02:09,380]: Now we’re really going down and actually having the deportation see the fight

[00:02:13,059]: And then out of nowhere comes a war with Persia

[00:02:17,300]: It’s like a shooting war with Persia a massive shooting war with Persia

[00:02:20,619]: It’s like how did this happen

[00:02:22,279]: And that’s why I’ve been up as a defender of Israel and somebody that’s very pro Israel

[00:02:26,539]: I’ve been saying hey this is going to be the end of Israel because of the way these decisions have been made

[00:02:31,240]: And you have I think shockingly today early when we had you on the show you bring up a point that we have to address which I think it’s the thing itself

[00:02:42,539]: What is it about this apparatus

[00:02:44,479]: When you have a coalition that’s like 1932 that’s coming together like Roosevelt had Harvard professors and crackers and Democrats and ranchers out West and big city bosses and the Irish and the Italians and you put it all together and they juggled it

[00:02:59,520]: You’ve got Brooklyn Butte Montana Birmingham Alabama and they’re all on the same side

[00:03:03,240]: How does that happen

[00:03:04,100]: All on the same side

[00:03:04,179]: And they govern literally almost all the way to Trump

[00:03:07,139]: Reagan took out part of it

[00:03:08,500]: Newt Gingrich took out part of it but it was 50 60 70 years

[00:03:11,679]: We have the same ability

[00:03:13,199]: We have hardscrabble Hispanics on the rear of Grand Valley in South Texas

[00:03:17,479]: We have tech bros

[00:03:20,300]: We have economic nationalists

[00:03:22,779]: We have economic populists

[00:03:24,020]: We have people that want to stop their forever wars

[00:03:25,940]: There’s three planks

[00:03:27,139]: And right at the beginning of it and it’s on the 10th anniversary of coming down to Golden Escalator

[00:03:31,759]: That was 10 years ago Sunday

[00:03:34,240]: And I tell people as many triumphs and tragedies victories and defeats good days and horrible days when we’re winning and sometimes we’re losing those 10 years of everything that’s gone on is just the preamble for where we are today on the convergence of these crises

[00:03:50,800]: And now all of a sudden a shooting war where they’re taking the Nimitz battle group out of the South China Sea and sending three carrier battle groups now to the North Arabian Sea Red Sea plus Arleigh Burke destroyers and a whole fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean

[00:04:06,419]: We’re prepping for a major shooting war

[00:04:08,500]: And how did it happen

[00:04:09,500]: I think what’s most shocking is what you said

[00:04:11,839]: Hey it was like Iraq

[00:04:12,979]: You’re inexorably just drawn and decisions kind of just happen

[00:04:16,519]: It’s like what’s happened over the last 72 hours

[00:04:18,239]: How did we even get to this point

[00:04:19,820]: How did this actually happen

[00:04:21,019]: Who made these decisions when we had the intel out there that this was not like a thing

[00:04:25,959]: This was something that was going to happen a year or two from now

[00:04:29,260]: Bibi admitted to Brett Baer on Sunday night

[00:04:31,440]: And so the question before us is not simply the Israel Persia situation is what the fuck is going on in this city that just drives this city whether you’re Barack Obama or Donald Trump

[00:04:43,640]: And if we don’t sort it out now and I mean right now that’s what we have to have a throwdown

[00:04:48,380]: We have to name names

[00:04:49,619]: We have to expose it

[00:04:50,779]: If we don’t throw it out now throw down now in the summer of 2025 we’re not going to have a country

[00:04:56,079]: You know forget the midterms forget the next election still

[00:04:59,339]: We have to have this

[00:05:00,160]: What the CIA what happened in Ukraine what the CIA has done what DNI is doing what the Justice Department what the FBI what DIA and the Pentagon because right now we only have a tenuous grip on this

[00:05:13,519]: We have two people at the FBI Cash and Bongino

[00:05:17,040]: We got a handful of people over at the Justice Department and a massive 30 some person 15 000 20 000 person operation

[00:05:24,260]: We have three or four people at DNI with 17 agencies

[00:05:28,100]: We’re putting a couple of people in there

[00:05:29,779]: At the Pentagon we got Pete and a handful of guys

[00:05:33,059]: And every time a guy steps up or the team steps up to say they want to stop the forever wars they’re turfed out

[00:05:38,119]: He’s lost 10 people since we’ve even got there

[00:05:41,019]: And every time Bridge Colby tries to do something you know Bridge Colby’s on the front page of that he’s an appeaser

[00:05:47,160]: So my point is that we now we’re getting down to it

[00:05:52,040]: With all these converging crises we have a apparatus that reports to Wall Street to foreign investors to Silicon Valley in business with the Chinese Communist Party that’s running the deal

[00:06:04,760]: And now’s the time we got

[00:06:05,899]: If we don’t lance the ball over this this country you’re not going to if you can’t turn around with Trump the Trump team he has people like you myself and they’re blessed to have these apparatuses

[00:06:16,980]: If we can’t do this now it’s not going to get done

[00:06:20,179]: And so that’s why to me it’s gone of everything we’re doing stopping the forever wars redoing the commercial relationships we’re trying to bring jobs back and sealing the border and sending home the 10 deporting 10 million which is going to be massive almost like a civil war in these big cities of all of those and I’ve always said the deportation is the most to get our sovereignty back the war we have to have now the throwdown we have to have now is with the deep state

[00:06:45,480]: And we can’t I think we’ve looked away too often we’re just kind of kicking the can down the road and if we can’t do it now with Trump it’s not going to get done

[00:06:55,579]: It does feel like Fox News is playing and I never criticized Fox because they were so kind to me but they are playing like a central role in the propaganda operation here it feels like

[00:07:11,480]: Let’s go back to the Iraq War

[00:07:13,179]: I mean you were there you saw it look at the Iraq War

[00:07:15,600]: I promoted the Iraq War

[00:07:17,119]: Because of the information you were giving knowingly what they did if you go back to look at Iraq it’s not like these things are successful they’re not successful they’re unsuccessful

[00:07:25,940]: They can’t be successful because as Lincoln told us what you need is popular opinion to have your back and we don’t do enough about educating the American people on what reality is

[00:07:35,760]: In fact they give them the exact opposite that’s why it’s all

[00:07:39,079]: The rise of Trump is from two things

[00:07:41,220]: The rise of Trump is from the failed Iraq War and from the 2008 financial collapse

[00:07:47,160]: You had Buchanan before that we had Perot before that we had even Reagan for some populism national

[00:07:52,220]: You had these sprouts you could see people were trying to get there but they couldn’t

[00:07:56,160]: It was those two cataclysmic events an epic failed war that we were lied to about everything the reason we went in

[00:08:04,339]: Because remember at first the American people supported it given the information they were they realized that hey not just with the initial predicate for this a lie all the updates were kind of a lie right

[00:08:15,959]: All the updates were a lie we really weren’t winning right

[00:08:18,779]: Until we sent General Kelly to the Anbar province to be the toughest tribe it was and it took forever and what 8 000 dead 50 000 wounded 9 trillion 7 trillion in Iraq and 2 trillion in Afghanistan

[00:08:33,760]: You’re just lied about the entire time

[00:08:35,580]: That’s what’s happening here

[00:08:37,099]: We’re not being dealt with straight and I’m just saying on the information that’s put out the Israeli position on this has changed three or four times

[00:08:45,380]: First it was the nuclear bomb the processing there was going to be something like last weekend you had to go now you had to go on Thursday night it had to happen right

[00:08:55,400]: Then we find out it’s a year away at earliest and then it’s a decapitation strike

[00:09:01,619]: They’re trying to have regime change

[00:09:02,820]: That just kind of came up over the weekend and saying oh well since they’re there we’re there we have to do it

[00:09:08,219]: Understand they said this is unilateral we’re doing our own but understanding that they needed American air assets on the defense to protect themselves and this is why the early Burke were rushed in and this is why American air defense assets have been used nonstop

[00:09:22,520]: Now they’re talking about oh by the way we really can’t take out Fodor we can’t take out the hidden mountainous second part of this

[00:09:30,679]: We need American combat sorties

[00:09:33,239]: We need American tankers to refuel us

[00:09:35,200]: We need the bunker busting bombs and we need assets

[00:09:38,419]: This thing changes all the time

[00:09:40,159]: When Tulsi Gabbard’s still out there as the last thing publicly said by a senior intelligence official she said in March they don’t have a program

[00:09:49,320]: They haven’t had a program

[00:09:51,400]: That’s what Brett Baier asked BB on Sunday night and BB said well we have new information new intelligence

[00:09:58,219]: Well hold it

[00:09:58,760]: We were told that we gave you exquisite intelligence

[00:10:01,599]: You weren’t giving us intelligence

[00:10:03,400]: We have to have a total vetting and by the way we need to get a vetting on Ukraine

[00:10:07,679]: We need to get a vetting on was American intelligence involved because it’s a zero probability that without our satellites without targeting information without fire control information there’s no chance that the Ukrainians as courageous as they are as much valor as they have could have pulled out something so complicated

[00:10:27,599]: This is right now the fight

[00:10:29,719]: The fight has to be we have to take on the deep state

[00:10:33,080]: We have to name names and we have to basically take these organizations and take them apart and then you’re going to unmask everybody in D C that’s not really on your side

[00:10:41,900]: You’re going to unmask all those people that say they’re conservative and say they’re Republicans

[00:10:46,440]: When they start protecting this you’re going to say well hang on for a second

[00:10:49,820]: This doesn’t mean we’re a constitutional republic

[00:10:52,299]: Trump’s commander in chief

[00:10:53,880]: This is what a constitutional republic’s about

[00:10:55,719]: I don’t care if AOC is the president later on or Bernie Sanders or J D

[00:10:59,960]: Vance another right winger

[00:11:01,159]: Right now we have a system that’s like the Praetorian Guard

[00:11:05,320]: It just it’s got its own national security policy

[00:11:08,520]: It’s got its own reason for existence

[00:11:10,340]: And it doesn’t care who whether it’s progressive like Barack Obama or a economic populist nationalist like Donald Trump

[00:11:17,479]: And so that is the fight we have to take on today

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[00:12:42,299]: There’s this mad scramble in Washington on the right to invoke Trump’s name and to make the case that no no I represent Trump

[00:12:50,820]: He’s on my side

[00:12:52,080]: I’m true MAGA

[00:12:53,239]: And you wind up with these kind of hallucinogenic scenes where you have people who hated Trump or were never Trump

[00:12:59,099]: Mark Levin you know hates Trump which is fine

[00:13:02,080]: But he’s like the standard bearer for Trump

[00:13:04,559]: But what makes it even more perverse is that these same people are allied with a deep state that is subverting Trump’s stated agenda which is negotiation toward peace both in Ukraine and in the Middle East

[00:13:19,599]: Trump has said we want to get to an agreement with a lasting peace so we can all be richer safer and happier

[00:13:24,940]: And in both places his so called allies who secretly hate him have destroyed that

[00:13:31,380]: And most of those guys are almost all of them to a person for the Ukraine war

[00:13:36,260]: People in your audience should understand one principal thing

[00:13:40,119]: We are farther down the pike in a kinetic part of a third world war than how World War Two started

[00:13:46,340]: If you go back from September 1939 the invasion the start of the European war not the Asian

[00:13:51,539]: But if you start with the invasion of Poland by the Germans and you go to June 1941 the invasion of Russia by the Wehrmacht

[00:14:00,099]: And you look at that time which really they called the phony war

[00:14:03,119]: You look at the casualties from the Battle of Britain the Blitz the fall of France

[00:14:07,320]: You look at what happened in North Africa early on

[00:14:09,559]: Finland throwing 300 000 Finland

[00:14:11,400]: You add it all up

[00:14:13,260]: It’s not half of what’s happened between Ukraine and Gaza today

[00:14:18,599]: And now and now in Persia we are much bloodier

[00:14:21,479]: This is a much we’re in a we’re in a shooting part of the third world war

[00:14:24,900]: The third world is not about to start

[00:14:26,580]: It has started

[00:14:27,640]: And that’s what Trump is saying

[00:14:29,020]: What he wants to do is have everybody lay their guns down

[00:14:32,260]: Let’s get to the table and figure out a tenuous at least certain you know subtle piece that we then use capital and trade and commerce and try to rebuild these countries

[00:14:43,359]: And let’s get people back to work and maybe attempt this thing down

[00:14:47,359]: Whereas the apparatus is doing is exacerbating the conflict part of it

[00:14:52,000]: That’s where we are right now in the summer of 2025

[00:14:54,400]: And that’s this thing is going to be in the next 200 days

[00:14:57,799]: The next 200 days are some of the most perilous times for the American Republic in its history because if we don’t get this sorted we’re going to be drawn in totally into a conflict as a combatant as not a supplier of logistics or as an actual combatant a participant in the situation in Ukraine what they did in Russia and the situation of what Israel is right now doing to the mullahs as bad as they are and as evil as they are

[00:15:26,039]: Right

[00:15:26,640]: It’ll be 10 years and the casualties will dwarf anything you saw in World War Two

[00:15:31,919]: One of the lessons that we never talk about from World War Two since you evoked the comparison is that the second the shooting war started in Great Britain and the United States opponents of the war went to jail

[00:15:41,799]: And Winston Churchill’s entire political opposition went to jail with their wives with their wives for the duration of the war

[00:15:47,479]: And some of them died

[00:15:49,500]: That’s been completely just a fact

[00:15:51,159]: And you can call those people whatever you want

[00:15:52,539]: And they may have been terrible people whatever but they were his political opponents and he put them in jail

[00:15:57,159]: And Roosevelt did you know sick the federal government on opponents of the war

[00:16:01,260]: Flat out

[00:16:02,799]: So if

[00:16:03,539]: Lincoln did the same

[00:16:04,559]: And Lincoln did the same

[00:16:05,320]: That’s exactly right

[00:16:06,260]: And I love Lincoln

[00:16:07,080]: And in areas that we control in the Revolutionary War which not a lot the same thing happened

[00:16:12,020]: That’s called war

[00:16:12,840]: Exactly

[00:16:13,179]: This is what happened

[00:16:14,260]: Exactly

[00:16:14,799]: And opponents of war are invariably described as allies of the enemy and they’re persecuted

[00:16:22,880]: Do you worry about that happening to you

[00:16:24,479]: You just said on camera I don’t want this war but we’re moving toward a third world war

[00:16:29,500]: Well I saw a

[00:16:30,380]: Look are you worried about going back to jail

[00:16:32,479]: I went to prison on a misdemeanor but it was kind of one of the same things

[00:16:35,719]: I wouldn’t testify

[00:16:37,219]: I wouldn’t turn because I said this committee is not legitimate doesn’t have a ranking member doesn’t have a minority council is totally legitimate

[00:16:43,419]: Plus he’s got executive privilege

[00:16:45,780]: That’s good enough for me

[00:16:46,880]: And if I have to fight this and I think it’s going to go to the Supreme Court although I’ve served my prison sentence I’m taking it up to the Supreme Court because I had a pretty good ruling not terrible from the appeals court

[00:16:58,020]: A couple of the judges are making arguments about why I should take it further

[00:17:01,479]: It’s definitely going to happen

[00:17:02,760]: Look what’s happening to you

[00:17:03,919]: I mean I’ve known you for a long time

[00:17:05,280]: And I sit down and look at what they’re saying about Tucker

[00:17:07,439]: I said what is Tucker saying so bad

[00:17:09,719]: He’s kind of laying out these arguments that ought to be debated right now in the House

[00:17:13,839]: Are you a brain moderate

[00:17:14,979]: Tom Cotton’s coming out and saying oh these influencers and podcasters well let’s have a debate

[00:17:19,660]: When we had a debate about the Ukraine about the funding of Ukraine in the Senate we beat them

[00:17:23,819]: This is why Mitch McConnell had to resign

[00:17:27,540]: Because why

[00:17:28,300]: Because the podcasters and influencers are much closer to the MAGA base and can deliver the heat into the House and the Senate

[00:17:36,199]: And they know that

[00:17:37,020]: I’m all for having a War Powers Act debate right now

[00:17:40,239]: Exactly

[00:17:40,319]: I agree

[00:17:41,020]: Let’s have the American people weigh in because you’re going to see the American people are 90 percent against forever wars

[00:17:47,479]: And even people that support Israel are saying exactly what we’re doing here

[00:17:51,359]: We thought we had this thing in Gaza you had to clean up with the Muslim Brotherhood in Hamas

[00:17:55,760]: Next thing you know we’re dropping we’re bombing we’re bombing Tehran and you’re taking incomings

[00:18:01,060]: What’s happened in Tel Aviv over the last 24 hours is pretty shocking because you’re taking these ballistic missiles

[00:18:06,479]: What’s Trump been saying

[00:18:07,979]: Everybody calm down

[00:18:09,280]: Let’s get back to the table

[00:18:10,500]: I can get actual thing

[00:18:11,660]: He said I can get it

[00:18:12,640]: We can take it apart

[00:18:13,640]: We can blow it up if we want to

[00:18:15,280]: But I can cut a deal

[00:18:16,199]: And Whitkoff and Trump if you’ve got to talk about two deal makers that don’t are not like diplomats but guys actually going to get stuff done

[00:18:23,900]: I feel more confidence with Steve Whitkoff and Donald Trump trying to work something out

[00:18:29,180]: Then continue on the shooting war where trust me with a carrier battle group heading over there and all these tankers heading over to to the Middle East we are prepping right now to come in on the offensive side of combat stories

[00:18:43,760]: And that’s a game changer

[00:18:44,839]: As bad as it is now that we’re combatant because we are combatant which I say if they’re unilateral why do we get sucked in here

[00:18:51,180]: Where is that decision where you said hey Steve decisions just get made

[00:18:54,619]: You never know how they get made

[00:18:55,699]: They’re organic

[00:18:56,699]: There’s never a moment where we stop and we say do we want to be involved in another Middle Eastern war

[00:19:00,900]: You just wind up there just like everything in life

[00:19:03,339]: You just like how did I get here

[00:19:04,500]: But I think that’s why they’re attacking you because you’re saying hang over a second

[00:19:07,719]: Let’s have a national discussion on this right now before we get in

[00:19:10,479]: And they don’t want that

[00:19:11,420]: But why the viciousness

[00:19:12,359]: Not not toward me

[00:19:13,420]: I mean I’m kind of punched out of society

[00:19:15,079]: But like why is it this topic evokes a cruelty and a dishonesty that no other topic does

[00:19:24,219]: Never been questioned like this

[00:19:25,839]: There’s never been questioned out in the out in the open

[00:19:28,900]: We’ve never had this debate that you’ve kind of led for the last couple of months that now we’re actually having this debate

[00:19:34,339]: They’ve never had people in government like Tulsi Gabbard like Bridge Colby like others

[00:19:41,020]: And look I don’t think Bridge is hard enough in the Chinese Communist Party but his book was amazing

[00:19:46,000]: And he’s got the pivot to Asia which we have to get to

[00:19:48,500]: If people want to see

[00:19:49,250]: how the institutions and apparatuses work and this is why the Democrats are all institutionalists now right

[00:19:54,950]: We’re the anti institutional guys because you see how corrupt they are

[00:19:59,010]: You need not look further than CENTCOM

[00:20:02,330]: One of the problems we have is that Obama tried it

[00:20:05,930]: Obama put his whole presidency on the national security side

[00:20:09,210]: We’re gonna pivot out of Asia

[00:20:10,670]: We’re gonna pivot out of Middle East to Asia the pivot to Asia put Joe Biden in charge

[00:20:15,530]: After eight years he had one combat brigade of Marines forward deployed to Brisbane Darwin Australia that was it

[00:20:23,830]: No other changes no other changes

[00:20:26,110]: So here’s a company we’re always excited to advertise because we actually use their products every day

[00:20:31,490]: It’s Meriwether Farms

[00:20:32,470]: Remember when everybody knew their neighborhood butcher

[00:20:34,550]: You look back and you feel like oh there was something really important about that knowing the person who cut your meat

[00:20:41,190]: And at some point your grandparents knew the people who raised their meat so they could trust what they ate

[00:20:47,430]: But that time is long gone

[00:20:48,710]: It’s been replaced by an era of grocery store mystery meat boxed by distant beef corporations none of which raised a single cow

[00:20:57,210]: Unlike your childhood they don’t know you

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[00:21:47,270]: Hey on our first try But can I just ask you I supported that

[00:21:51,230]: That was like the I despise Obama I think he wrecked the country but I don’t think that’s a crazy that was not a crazy idea to pivot

[00:21:56,830]: We’re having this debate I had Flynn on today after you

[00:21:59,570]: The same we’re having the same debate today

[00:22:01,810]: Remember the carrier battle group that’s over protecting Taiwan in the South China Sea is now en route to the Malacca Straits

[00:22:08,750]: The Nimitz battle group is going to the North Arabian Sea

[00:22:11,810]: So you’re a former naval officer give us a sense of the decision making process that leads to a move Well here’s what on November what 5th of 79 I’m a destroyer officer navigator on a destroyer in a carrier battle group

[00:22:25,470]: We’re doing the changeover from San Diego from where home point the third fleet to the seventh fleet all takes place in Hawaii the Hawaiian operator

[00:22:32,430]: You do like three or four days of workup because they have a certain different lingo and a different tempo

[00:22:37,350]: So you gotta get to how they do it

[00:22:39,150]: We get called in in the middle of the night on the red phone everybody line up single file and head into Pearl Harbor where Pearl Harbor as a sea detail is almost impossible to do because it’s so narrow right

[00:22:49,250]: And Honolulu is up there so it’s not like World War II it’s very dangerous

[00:22:52,170]: We go in there and we hear the hostages have been taken and now all of our assets in Korea in the South China Sea and in Japan are heading towards the North Arabian Sea which the United States Navy had never been at

[00:23:05,130]: We had a couple of white painted destroyers in Bahrain but we were not used to that

[00:23:10,570]: So they go we follow a carrier all the way to Korea because you had to be we were a gas turbine we were the only ones who could keep up with the carrier

[00:23:17,790]: 35 knots for like two weeks

[00:23:21,050]: We destroyed the ship we destroyed the sonar dome because you go through a typhoon you go through some heavy weather

[00:23:26,170]: Because we had a treaty at the time with Korea we would keep a carrier battle group within a 24 hour strike of North Korea

[00:23:32,930]: So we have to get there

[00:23:33,910]: Once we get there they peel us off

[00:23:36,110]: Us and our squadron of ships the famous destroyer squadron 23 the early burst little beavers we go to the North Arabian Sea

[00:23:44,410]: Why

[00:23:44,730]: They’re working up for and that is like a hostile I tell people if you haven’t been off the coast of Iran or Persia as I call it it’s like the landscape of the moon

[00:23:53,450]: This is the most inhospitable place on earth

[00:23:55,630]: I’ve been there yeah

[00:23:56,490]: You’ve been the Straits of Hormuz the Persian Gulf the North Arabian Sea and our carrier battle group stayed

[00:24:03,390]: We rotated out after about four months

[00:24:05,490]: People stayed and eventually a couple months later actually did the failed rescue

[00:24:11,410]: We practice every day

[00:24:13,290]: You could see every day they had the lift capacity the helicopters were practicing going in

[00:24:17,930]: We were actually going to do plane guard against potential Russian fighters in the Persian Gulf put the radars up because nobody knew what was going to happen

[00:24:25,350]: It was a failed effort but I tell people and it turns out the Nimitz is now about to be decommissioned

[00:24:31,350]: This may be their last cruise

[00:24:32,770]: They were there 50 years ago

[00:24:35,330]: It’s the first time they really got commissioned their first assignment was in Gonzo and Camel Station in the North Arabian Sea

[00:24:42,470]: So these are big decisions the Pentagon makes when they particularly today when they decide to take a carrier battle group strike group away from the South China Sea in the defense of Taiwan given how on pins and needles we are there because the Chinese Communist Party are not doing exercises

[00:24:58,030]: They’re doing rehearsals for an invasion

[00:25:00,150]: To take that out and to take it to the North Arabian Sea is signaling the world that we’re about to do something

[00:25:06,990]: And that’s what’s so scary right now

[00:25:08,670]: And when you get to your theory that these decisions you’re just getting inexorably drawn in

[00:25:14,550]: Now we have all of our basically air assets that are ready to launch combat sorties on Tehran and whatever else happens they’re in place

[00:25:25,070]: So it just takes it’s not like you make a decision well it takes us a week to get there

[00:25:28,390]: They’re in place

[00:25:29,290]: The tankers are over there

[00:25:30,470]: We could do in tank refueling

[00:25:32,030]: So I think in the next 24 to 48 hours a decision could be made

[00:25:36,510]: And that’s why I’m getting more and more vocal not less vocal that we need to go full stop right now

[00:25:41,890]: We need to find out because there’s too many moving pieces

[00:25:44,410]: The moving pieces about exactly what’s going on what’s the risk

[00:25:48,130]: We haven’t had a full debate about this

[00:25:49,810]: And I would like to see some voices come forward

[00:25:52,270]: I’d like to see Tulsi Gabbard come forward and tell us has anything changed in DNI which is 17 agencies including the CIA for this has anything changed from what you told the public at a hearing in March

[00:26:04,130]: Is it if it’s changed let’s just hear it

[00:26:06,050]: I would like to have John Ratcliffe go to the stakes

[00:26:08,610]: And I think Ratcliffe’s a good man

[00:26:10,430]: John Ratcliffe should go to the stakes and say two things

[00:26:12,410]: Number one we had no involvement at all in the Ukraine assault under Russia

[00:26:17,430]: Just to say it because he’s kind of been in hiding in that

[00:26:20,330]: And then he ought to be open to He never criticized

[00:26:22,710]: No one ever criticizes John Ratcliffe

[00:26:24,510]: Well the reason I think they’re not Ever

[00:26:26,430]: I think the reason they’re not criticizing John Ratcliffe and John Ratcliffe’s a good man

[00:26:30,490]: But you have to remember John Ratcliffe was a mayor of a small town in Texas that went to Congress did a great job

[00:26:36,910]: President Trump likes him a lot

[00:26:39,010]: He’s got Mike Ellis over there but they’re two guys right

[00:26:42,230]: We don’t have 10 political appointees which we should have

[00:26:44,610]: We got two guys running that building

[00:26:47,070]: That’s the way the agency’s structured

[00:26:48,350]: There’s no civilian control of the CIA

[00:26:50,430]: Well you know better than anybody

[00:26:52,990]: But it runs the way it’s gonna run

[00:26:56,430]: I mean we sent Pompeo over there

[00:26:58,050]: It’s an army it’s a business it’s a government agency it’s a country

[00:27:02,310]: It’s a venture capital firm

[00:27:02,950]: It’s literally a venture capital firm and its budget is unknown

[00:27:08,210]: Its reach is and you know

[00:27:10,090]: And we have no idea what they’re doing

[00:27:11,250]: Of course because the majority of things that they do are not you know U S government employees doing even the door kickers

[00:27:16,590]: No it’s they’re working through some exile group

[00:27:19,130]: They’ve been funding for 30 years right

[00:27:20,890]: They will also look you right in the eye

[00:27:22,470]: Oh I know

[00:27:23,230]: And lie to you

[00:27:23,870]: Oh I know

[00:27:24,270]: Because that’s the wilderness of mirrors right

[00:27:27,310]: Look look

[00:27:28,270]: And they’re smart

[00:27:29,430]: Somebody said to me the other day someone knowledgeable said the problem with the U S government is like why can’t we do this or that

[00:27:34,110]: And like if you wanted light rail you know we couldn’t do it

[00:27:36,770]: And this person said because all the smartest people in government are at CIA

[00:27:40,770]: Yeah

[00:27:41,370]: They also with the interagency process they control the entire process

[00:27:45,270]: This is why downsizing NSC was so important

[00:27:47,570]: When you have this we had these detailees that come from all the different departments because NSC should have 30 people but it had 250

[00:27:55,050]: There are 60 political appointees right

[00:27:57,830]: And there’s 280 come from different agencies to do all the different paperwork

[00:28:01,950]: They have the interagency process

[00:28:03,630]: The CIA controls that process

[00:28:05,630]: They control the process at the Pentagon

[00:28:07,330]: They control the DHS

[00:28:08,770]: They control over the justice department

[00:28:10,650]: They are embedded deep because they’ve been around you know they’ve been around so long and they know how to embed deep right

[00:28:16,470]: With the smartest people out there

[00:28:17,650]: And so if you don’t get control of that you’re not going to get control

[00:28:21,190]: They’re like a Praetorian guard right now

[00:28:23,190]: We have to we have to lance this

[00:28:25,070]: This is like the Roman late stage of the Roman empire

[00:28:27,350]: When the Praetorian guard kind of ran the deal and they would put forward every legionary captain that they thought was going to be good for a time and they are planning right now to thwart President Trump’s second term make sure they wait him out and they’re going to have a hand selected person for the third term

[00:28:44,690]: And I don’t say this as a conspiracy theory guy

[00:28:46,850]: This is just basic fact

[00:28:48,770]: Totally true

[00:28:49,090]: They’re so clever that if you criticize them they will leak to people that you work for them

[00:28:54,490]: I happen to know

[00:28:55,990]: Which is like kind of brilliant

[00:28:58,210]: Like if you’re an effective critic of CIA Joe Ken I’ve lived this personally but also Joe Ken is a wonderful man a totally sincere man

[00:29:07,750]: Great man

[00:29:08,070]: Former CIA contractor lost his wife in Syria in Obama’s Syria war and became an opponent of the way things are running

[00:29:15,030]: And they CIA played in his primary

[00:29:17,830]: And the way they did it was by convincing Republican primary voters that Joe Ken who’s the single most effective critic of CIA in the United States was actually working for CIA

[00:29:28,330]: I mean like wow

[00:29:29,910]: I tip my non existent hat in deference to the brilliance of that

[00:29:33,710]: This is how brilliant they are

[00:29:34,770]: You notice from President Trump the arc that he went through on Friday

[00:29:38,450]: You know something’s up when David Ignatius at the Washington Post which we call the Langley Bugle

[00:29:44,910]: He’s the head of the comms

[00:29:46,390]: Oh I’m aware

[00:29:47,490]: When Ignatius comes out on Morning Joe and says Trump is doing such a really magnificent job here

[00:29:52,370]: He’s acting like your commander in chief

[00:29:54,470]: That should be the red flare that goes up

[00:29:56,030]: It goes what the fuck

[00:29:58,270]: I know

[00:29:58,690]: So I mean It’s too frustrating to have a TV because it’s too frustrating to watch

[00:30:02,750]: Like I don’t know a single person who doesn’t like David Ignatius personally and that would include me

[00:30:07,210]: And he’s just such a courtly man

[00:30:08,830]: He’s like the Murdoch’s

[00:30:09,670]: He’s just you can’t dislike him

[00:30:10,730]: He’s just got elaborate wonderful manners

[00:30:12,670]: He’s very nice

[00:30:13,570]: But like he is the spokesman for CIA

[00:30:17,430]: And you wonder The Washington Post is the Langley Bugle

[00:30:19,690]: It’s unbelievable

[00:30:20,110]: The Langley Bugle

[00:30:20,510]: When Louis Joyland West who was one of the last visitors to Jack Ruby in his cell before he went insane was a CIA physician and deeply involved in a lot of really dark some of the darkest things we’ve ever done

[00:30:34,910]: When he died I went and looked up the Walter Pincus obit from the Washington Post

[00:30:38,910]: Walter Pincus was the CIA

[00:30:40,670]: I think Walter Pincus wrote it

[00:30:42,410]: And there was no mention in the Washington Post obit that Jolly West worked for CIA

[00:30:46,770]: I mean it’s just like oh my God

[00:30:48,270]: It’s just like

[00:30:49,710]: But you wonder like do people watching Morning Joe have any idea who these people are

[00:30:54,390]: No

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[00:32:05,030]: You know there’s a great story

[00:32:07,050]: You talked about the Kennedy thing today

[00:32:08,650]: There’s a great story in the book the guy just came out about the Kennedy assassination and the House and Senate committees the church committee the biography of the church committee came out about a year or two years ago

[00:32:22,530]: He talks about when his first forum Frank Church was gonna be one thing but they got Gary Hart in there who’d just been elected

[00:32:28,410]: Mike Mansfield the old head of you know really a guy who knew how to run things right

[00:32:32,370]: Mansfield from Montana

[00:32:33,610]: Pick both of them Church to head the committee but Gary Hart was gonna be assigned to the CIA to find out what went on

[00:32:40,130]: So Hart’s seeing Colby and seeing some of the former directors and they tell him said hey the guy you really gotta see all of them tell him say it’s nice to have dinner

[00:32:48,370]: You gotta see Angleton

[00:32:51,130]: Angleton runs the deal

[00:32:52,190]: Now he was the counter terrorism

[00:32:54,170]: Counterintel yeah

[00:32:55,210]: A legendary guy there forever

[00:32:58,330]: And he goes to I think the Metropolitan Club

[00:33:01,150]: Of course

[00:33:01,870]: For a dinner and Angleton would take a drink and Gary Hart’s sitting there kind of working him

[00:33:05,970]: And so towards the end of the evening he can’t get up enough courage to ask like the question

[00:33:09,790]: So finally he says you know it’s about over

[00:33:11,870]: I gotta do this

[00:33:12,650]: He says look Mr Angleton I just got a question from the committee

[00:33:16,110]: We need to know did the CIA have anything to do with the Kennedy assassination

[00:33:21,330]: He asked Angleton that

[00:33:22,210]: He asked Angleton

[00:33:22,770]: It’s in the book call it

[00:33:23,970]: Angleton takes another drink puts it down and goes Senator Hart you were a theology major were you not

[00:33:33,090]: And he goes yeah as a matter of fact I was a theology major

[00:33:35,250]: So you know the New and Old Testament pretty well

[00:33:39,170]: He goes well enough

[00:33:41,710]: He goes in my father’s house there are many mansions

[00:33:46,730]: Gary Hart goes what the fuck

[00:33:49,170]: Didn’t ask another question

[00:33:50,930]: Went back to church in Mansfield

[00:33:52,810]: Mansfield goes okay shut it down

[00:33:54,450]: He goes no this is why they came out the CIA

[00:33:57,270]: Remember they had tried to kill guys in the Congo

[00:33:59,330]: They even had the cigar in Castro

[00:34:01,530]: Nothing about the domestic stuff at all

[00:34:03,330]: That all got shut down immediately

[00:34:04,990]: And they figured oh there’s a Lumbumba in Patrice the Lumbumba in Congo

[00:34:10,290]: In Congo and they had tried to kill or killed three or four other guys maybe Dag Hammarskjöld who knows

[00:34:15,590]: But they got Definitely Dag Hammarskjöld

[00:34:16,330]: They got into all these things that the American people are interested in why are you killing foreign leaders

[00:34:20,490]: But they didn’t get to the heart of many mansions

[00:34:23,110]: Gary Hart goes I’m not going any farther on this one right

[00:34:25,850]: And within 10 years Frank Church is dead of galloping cancer

[00:34:29,930]: And Gary Hart is totally destroyed in 1988 through the The leading presidential candidate at the time

[00:34:36,010]: Oh yeah

[00:34:36,270]: With a picture Gets lured onto the monkey business

[00:34:39,350]: And then his house the first time they ever surrounded his house remember

[00:34:43,530]: Oh I’ll never forget it at all

[00:34:45,130]: And boy and the Washington Post led the charge

[00:34:46,730]: And I’m not for Gary Hart or whatever but he by today’s standards They’ve got Ian Brossom though

[00:34:50,570]: You’re gonna pay there’s gonna be payback

[00:34:52,650]: It’s literally unbelievable but you can’t how do you have a real country in the middle of that

[00:34:58,450]: Like I don’t understand

[00:34:59,270]: Well you can’t

[00:34:59,810]: I think you make the point

[00:35:01,270]: Since 1963 we’ve devolved

[00:35:04,010]: And that’s I’m not kidding

[00:35:05,390]: As Elon was the special government employee to do Doge to try to get wasteful and abuse

[00:35:11,470]: I think because we’re at war now and the war we’re at is an internal war

[00:35:15,590]: It’s an internal war with this apparatus that we finally have a leader that will have the back of people that will go in because he wants it taken down

[00:35:24,130]: I think he’s getting terrible advice around that

[00:35:26,850]: Someone like you not to organize it but who knows the history of these institutions and quite frankly where the bodies are buried have to come in as a special government employee to help get the people on the ground organized

[00:35:39,450]: We have to go to war against the deep state now

[00:35:42,310]: If we don’t go to war with the deep state immediately and have a couple of wins that we can point to in some momentum and put them on their back leg their back foot in the next 200 days nothing in America is gonna change

[00:35:54,710]: And we should be clear about who’s serving its interest

[00:35:57,490]: Tom Cotton who’s the chairman of the Senate Intel Committee the select committee on intelligence was one of the primary drivers of secrecy around the Kennedy files

[00:36:08,210]: So Tom Cotton I think was born in the 80s and I like Tom Cotton a lot I know him

[00:36:11,830]: I know his wife who worked at CIA

[00:36:13,230]: Nice super nice people

[00:36:14,810]: But when it came down to it when Trump gets elected and gets inaugurated in January Tom Cotton’s bond he’s denied this but he’s lying because it’s true I know for a fact

[00:36:23,090]: Tom Cotton’s running around being like well whatever we do we can’t put people in place we’re gonna declassify all the Kennedy assassination files

[00:36:29,110]: 62 years later

[00:36:30,030]: I think Tom Cotton was born in the 80s

[00:36:32,410]: Why would he care

[00:36:33,450]: It’s not a sources and methods thing anymore

[00:36:35,410]: What is that

[00:36:36,170]: Why would Tom Cotton be so concerned about releasing the Kennedy documents that he’s trying to prevent people from getting jobs on the basis of his belief that they might reveal those documents

[00:36:49,030]: What is that

[00:36:51,790]: Because that’s

[00:36:52,750]: It’s disqualifying he shouldn’t be in the Senate of course

[00:36:54,950]: He knows that that is the key that can pick the lock that something happened in 1963 we had a coup d etat

[00:37:01,190]: Yep yes

[00:37:01,750]: The country’s never faced up to it

[00:37:03,430]: No

[00:37:03,790]: The country understands that like 80 something’s dead wrong

[00:37:06,830]: They understood at the time the Warren Commission was gun decked

[00:37:09,510]: Yeah

[00:37:09,630]: You go back and read this new book even by a New York Times writer you see how what a joke it was how the FBI stepped in immediately

[00:37:16,090]: Jerry Ford was their guy

[00:37:18,170]: It was a complete joke

[00:37:19,270]: Who is a made president without an election

[00:37:21,050]: Made president without an election

[00:37:22,190]: I’m just saying there are no coincidences

[00:37:24,510]: Jerry Ford of the Warren Commission becomes president without an election and you’re like hmm

[00:37:32,190]: I’ve read the testimony of the Warren Commission

[00:37:34,150]: Justin in the Warren Commission in the sixth floor in the depository where the gunman sat right next to him was a guy I think his name was Willie Davis he was a worker of the black guys were up on the top deck pointing afterwards when the shot took place he was gonna go join those guys

[00:37:50,930]: He actually sat there and had his lunch right next to where the assassin was

[00:37:55,530]: Now you know assassins and CIA and Navy SEALs I mean their heart’s beating out of their chest before that happens because they understand it may be the last time they take a breath on Earth is when they fire

[00:38:07,930]: So they are really ready to meet their maker and they’re highly focused

[00:38:11,750]: The last thing you’re gonna do on Earth is get that target

[00:38:14,170]: That is just these cartons just suppressing by a few feet

[00:38:18,470]: This guy’s giving testimony and it’s unbelievable

[00:38:21,690]: They go well you were there

[00:38:22,670]: Yes what were you doing

[00:38:23,510]: He says I was eating a chicken sandwich a bag of Fritos and a Coke

[00:38:28,110]: And they’re going you’re right next to him and everything’s going and you’re hanging on the edge of it

[00:38:32,810]: And then all of a sudden Jerry Ford steps in and goes excuse me I have a question

[00:38:38,770]: Do you have a criminal record

[00:38:41,310]: And the guy goes excuse me

[00:38:42,810]: He goes do you have a criminal record

[00:38:44,610]: And the guy goes well I was picked up

[00:38:46,110]: No no no you’re a felon right

[00:38:47,550]: And the whole conversation drops I go oh my God

[00:38:51,350]: We’re literally at the moment literally 10 minutes before the shot takes place

[00:38:57,510]: We have a witness that’s there

[00:38:59,410]: And you got to ask him did you hear anything

[00:39:01,130]: Did you see anything

[00:39:02,090]: Yeah no

[00:39:02,690]: And Jerry Ford told us as you mentioned with Angleton and the guys a few years later out of nowhere on Watergate

[00:39:12,013]: another operation they were deeply involved in right

[00:39:16,193]: He’s made vice president of the United States

[00:39:17,473]: Yeah because the president’s most popular president in American history is undone by a naval intel officer posing as a journalist

[00:39:23,893]: Exactly

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[00:40:53,973]: So you wonder like a lot of this is taking place in private and it’s one of the great frustrations as an American is you don’t know what your government’s doing and you have no way to find out

[00:41:02,493]: Even when it’s done 60 years ago you don’t know

[00:41:04,973]: But some of it’s taking place totally in public

[00:41:06,793]: The Tom Cotton stuff and it grieves me to say this because I like Tom and I think he’s smart really smart actually and a good guy in a lot of ways

[00:41:13,213]: But he’s acting on behalf of CA not on behalf of the people of Arkansas obviously

[00:41:18,333]: But then there’s Lindsey Graham who’s like florid out in public

[00:41:23,373]: Like there’s no kind of hiding who Lindsey Graham is

[00:41:25,893]: And how does what is that

[00:41:27,593]: The whole Ukraine thing he and Pompeo how the weekend before the drone assault takes place he’s in Ukraine saying something’s going to happen

[00:41:36,253]: He’s in France

[00:41:37,333]: I mean if you talk to people over there it’s like he had inside baseball

[00:41:41,073]: He was all jacked up that good things are going to happen

[00:41:44,093]: Pompeo’s in like Odessa giving a talk

[00:41:46,833]: I mean what is Mike Pompeo

[00:41:48,053]: There’s a middle of a war over there

[00:41:49,493]: We’re trying to extract ourselves

[00:41:50,573]: What is Mike Pompeo in Odessa giving some you know a rally speech and essentially pump these guys up

[00:41:56,153]: And he’s talking about certain things that could happen or certain positive things that hang in there on this war exactly what President Trump’s counter to

[00:42:04,273]: President Trump is trying to have everybody lay down their guns and let’s because right now the British papers report is a million Russians dead or wounded

[00:42:11,753]: There’s 750 000 Ukrainians dead or wounded

[00:42:15,073]: I mean this has been devastating like World War I type of casualties

[00:42:19,213]: President Trump is sitting there going we need to put the guns down

[00:42:21,593]: I need to get people at the table

[00:42:22,933]: We need to talk

[00:42:23,513]: We’ll even buy your dirt

[00:42:24,893]: We’ll buy your rare earths

[00:42:26,293]: We’ll put money in which we oppose

[00:42:27,893]: But if President Trump thinks he needs that for a peace deal we’ll support him

[00:42:31,613]: What is Mike Pompeo in Odessa jacking these people up

[00:42:34,753]: What is Lindsey Graham over there jacking people up about

[00:42:37,833]: These questions have to be asked

[00:42:39,313]: We have to ask what part of our government is going against the Commander in Chief and what the Commander in Chief is trying to do

[00:42:45,253]: Is it legal for Lindsey to do that

[00:42:46,993]: Well there’s Logan Act

[00:42:48,333]: You know I called for his arrest

[00:42:50,333]: Good

[00:42:51,573]: Absolutely or cancel his passport

[00:42:53,933]: Do two things

[00:42:54,633]: Either don’t land back in the country or arresting

[00:42:57,433]: And I’m adamant about this and Pompeo also because I think there are arguments around the Logan Act that they’re over there countering what the Commander in Chief’s trying to do

[00:43:05,093]: And they have security clearances too which I don’t have

[00:43:08,353]: And you don’t have I assume a security clearance

[00:43:11,613]: Not anymore

[00:43:12,733]: But why does

[00:43:13,653]: I don’t want one right now

[00:43:14,393]: No I don’t either

[00:43:15,913]: Because you said hey I didn’t mean it

[00:43:18,233]: Don’t blame me

[00:43:19,133]: I didn’t mean it

[00:43:19,413]: But why does Lindsey Graham and why does Mike Pompeo have a security clearance

[00:43:22,993]: Well I think I got to ask Mike because I’m very disappointed in him

[00:43:25,553]: I knew him for years

[00:43:27,213]: The guy I know today the guy I see today is not the guy I knew

[00:43:30,333]: And I think people have to

[00:43:31,833]: I think they ought to come on when they come on TV is they ought to have the like NASCAR drivers

[00:43:36,813]: Like whose payroll are they on

[00:43:38,633]: Exactly

[00:43:39,073]: The American people at least ought to be in a chyron who they’re taking money from

[00:43:44,033]: But who

[00:43:45,713]: What’s the deal with Lindsey

[00:43:46,913]: Let me just say I’ve known Lindsey for 25 years

[00:43:50,973]: And it’s impossible not to like Lindsey Graham

[00:43:53,073]: He’s one of the most charming funny

[00:43:55,893]: He’s just a wonderful person to travel with

[00:43:59,413]: He’s the most charming person in the world

[00:44:00,993]: I’ll just say that because it’s just true

[00:44:02,373]: I like him

[00:44:02,913]: If he was here I would be having fun with Lindsey Graham

[00:44:05,153]: But his effect on the United States is so destructive

[00:44:08,553]: I don’t understand what that is

[00:44:09,993]: What is his motive

[00:44:10,853]: You know him well of course because you’re

[00:44:12,533]: Well I know

[00:44:13,353]: Look I think number one he’s very involved in the Pentagon on our services committee

[00:44:18,713]: The Pentagon the building runs like the building’s going to run

[00:44:21,213]: I mean it’s a trillion dollar

[00:44:22,933]: Why when President Trump says we’re going to go to a hemispheric defense from Greenland to block the Russian submarines to Alaska maybe Canada for the Arctic because that’s the new great game of the 21st century

[00:44:34,813]: To the Panama Canal because they’re going to block the Chinese and Russian navies and get the Chinese out of the Caribbean

[00:44:39,153]: We’ll deal with Venezuela

[00:44:40,713]: We’ll have the Central Pacific which has always been kind of our strategic pivot the three island chains

[00:44:45,873]: And America’s hermetically sealed

[00:44:47,433]: You add a Golden Dome or some sort of ballistic missile America can live in peace

[00:44:52,573]: And we can do expeditionary

[00:44:55,613]: Not that we’re not engaged in the world

[00:44:56,913]: You can do expeditionary forces anywhere you want in the world

[00:44:59,873]: You can’t put Chinese infrastructure in St

[00:45:01,873]: Croix which they have a lot of in St

[00:45:04,033]: Croix which we control

[00:45:05,353]: Exactly

[00:45:06,113]: So you can’t let the Chinese control your hemisphere

[00:45:08,093]: That seems reasonable

[00:45:09,053]: And they’ll say to us OK get out of Japan

[00:45:11,173]: At which point you say OK

[00:45:12,873]: I mean that seems like logical

[00:45:14,973]: This budget is not a trillion dollars going up right

[00:45:19,353]: Because right now it’s over a trillion dollars

[00:45:20,973]: If you add the supplement that’s coming in the reconciliation bill with the NDAA you’re over a trillion dollars

[00:45:26,973]: And it’s only going to keep increasing

[00:45:28,513]: This is the way the defense contractors make money

[00:45:31,693]: They embed it over there

[00:45:32,913]: They kind of run the building right now

[00:45:34,573]: You don’t see any pushback by armed services

[00:45:36,613]: In fact every district’s got huge plants

[00:45:38,553]: As you know our industrial policy that we do have is really around arms manufacturing

[00:45:43,493]: Yes that’s it

[00:45:43,913]: And it’s a high margin business

[00:45:46,213]: And we want to sell weapons to the entire world

[00:45:49,133]: It’s that system that’s running the country

[00:45:51,493]: Remember the difference between President Trump’s first term and his second term is what happened under Biden is a massive concentration of power because they didn’t back Lena Kahn or the antitrust people like we have now in President Trump’s administration like Gail Slater and what’s happening to the FTC under Andrew Ferguson taking big tech to court and trying to break them up

[00:46:10,733]: Right now you have Wall Street

[00:46:14,373]: You have big tech

[00:46:15,453]: You have big agriculture

[00:46:16,693]: You have big pharma

[00:46:18,133]: You have the big healthcare industry

[00:46:19,733]: You have the defense contractors

[00:46:20,833]: You have the concentration of these massive industries that have every lobbyist every communications expert all the big law firms on their payroll

[00:46:30,393]: If you and I wanted to start today and say hey guess what

[00:46:32,493]: We want to take on one of the industries

[00:46:33,993]: Let’s take on big ag

[00:46:35,453]: You literally can’t get a great law firm to represent you or a great lobbyist because they’re all hired by these guys

[00:46:42,933]: That concentration

[00:46:43,313]: And they’ll set up regulatory hurdles that are insurmountable

[00:46:46,913]: This is the regulatory capital

[00:46:48,133]: I’m living that in something that we’re doing on the side

[00:46:51,093]: And you just find out that it’s like crazy

[00:46:56,293]: That concentration of power

[00:46:57,353]: Oh my God

[00:46:58,433]: Regulatory capture and really regulatory merger

[00:47:01,053]: We said when we gave China everything after Tiananmen Square when we gave them most favored nation status and WTO and access that the more they get prosperous by

[00:47:11,113]: Because they were a backward agricultural country at the time

[00:47:13,553]: The more prosperous they get the more they’ll become like a liberal democracy like the United States

[00:47:17,953]: I remember that

[00:47:18,433]: We actually have copied the model of the Chinese Communist Party

[00:47:21,633]: They have a handful of state owned industries very powerful merged in with the central government an authoritarian government

[00:47:28,673]: That’s what we have

[00:47:29,353]: And that’s what President Trump

[00:47:30,513]: The promise of President Trump is to break that

[00:47:33,633]: The American people don’t want it

[00:47:35,113]: They hate it

[00:47:35,813]: Now they need the tools to do it

[00:47:37,533]: And that’s why I think this next couple of hundred days coming after the 10th anniversary of really President Trump

[00:47:42,833]: Because what happened

[00:47:43,773]: At the top of the escalator Trump was in seventh place because people didn’t know if he was serious about running or not

[00:47:49,413]: No right

[00:47:49,573]: He had just gone to CPAC I think 90 days before

[00:47:52,373]: In the 2015 CPAC Trump finished seventh in the poll at three and a half percent

[00:47:58,213]: I remember

[00:47:58,973]: Behind all these guys

[00:47:59,953]: At the top of the escalator he’s in seventh

[00:48:03,693]: That night they do a flash poll I think on CNN

[00:48:06,213]: He’s first

[00:48:06,993]: Why

[00:48:07,373]: That talk was in a nomenclature and a vernacular that the American people hadn’t heard from a politician about the border about deportations about China about bringing jobs back about ending the forever wars

[00:48:20,673]: Remember as the campaign went on he goes to South Carolina

[00:48:24,173]: I’ll never forget it

[00:48:24,773]: And in South Carolina he literally blew up the entire not just Bush apparatus kind of Fox and kind of everybody on the right that had been in there

[00:48:33,473]: And when he said it you could hear the audience gasp

[00:48:36,033]: And so many commentators came on and said well that’s the end of him because

[00:48:39,273]: They all said that except me

[00:48:41,013]: Because I was the only one in Fox News who I knew

[00:48:43,553]: I was like yes

[00:48:45,533]: Thank you for telling the truth finally

[00:48:48,213]: But everybody around you was that he’s finished

[00:48:49,833]: They hated me for agreeing with him

[00:48:51,733]: They hated me personally

[00:48:52,253]: And he won in a landslide

[00:48:53,733]: Karl Rove who was my neighbor and always got along with him

[00:48:57,133]: Again perfectly charming guy sort of

[00:49:01,073]: Very not a good person at all but smart and you know Karl

[00:49:05,713]: But after that that was the moment I realized it was in that Greenville South Carolina debate that all that mattered to them was a projection of force abroad

[00:49:13,913]: That’s it

[00:49:14,573]: Everything else was just silly

[00:49:16,173]: Because they were so shocked he said it and united in the fact that he can’t win

[00:49:19,993]: That’s when Bill Kristol turned against him was that night

[00:49:22,213]: And if you look you could look it up

[00:49:24,613]: Check his Twitter feed

[00:49:25,353]: The day before Kristol was like you know Trump’s kind of a pig but he’s our pig

[00:49:29,353]: And actually we can kind of use him

[00:49:31,853]: And maybe we should make peace with Trump

[00:49:33,953]: Bill Kristol said that who I used to work for for many years

[00:49:36,573]: The day after that Greenville debate he took the position that he has now which is you know we’ll destroy the country to prevent Trump from exercising power

[00:49:44,453]: Like he was a sworn enemy of Donald Trump’s after that when he came out against the Iraq War

[00:49:48,733]: How weird

[00:49:51,793]: Why did…if you killed a child in a DUI okay you’re drunk you accidentally run over a child

[00:49:58,853]: There’s no possibility you could meaningfully advance in American life because people would say we’ve forgiven you Steve but you did something that’s so horrible

[00:50:06,693]: Totally irresponsible

[00:50:07,573]: It’s just horrible

[00:50:08,393]: It was a mistake

[00:50:09,393]: Yeah it was a mistake but it was horrible

[00:50:11,653]: We allowed the architects of the Iraq War who gravely injured the United States got all these people killed Americans killed to continue to advance

[00:50:20,053]: They were never held to account for what they did ever at all

[00:50:23,853]: They became the head of the World Bank

[00:50:25,333]: How did we do that

[00:50:26,313]: The specter of that is what we’ve faced over the last 72 hours

[00:50:29,993]: This is exactly the same pitch as the Iraq War

[00:50:32,513]: Weapons of mass destruction

[00:50:34,373]: Oh I know

[00:50:34,573]: You have to get it

[00:50:35,453]: So they understand one thing

[00:50:38,033]: They think the playbook works

[00:50:39,753]: This is why we have to stop it now

[00:50:41,213]: If we don’t stop it now it’s going to work all the time

[00:50:44,233]: They think that playbook of lulling the American people to sleep and tell them there’s these evil people that have to be taken down and if they’re taken down everything’s going to be fine after that and that we face an apocalypse if that doesn’t happen

[00:50:56,913]: They’re running the Iraq War playbook over again with almost some of the same players or at least the protégés right in the verticals of who those players were

[00:51:04,873]: But why does institutional conservatism allow it

[00:51:07,193]: If Mike Pompeo shows up at the you know Republican county of dinner in some state like he’s treated as…I was in a restaurant with him recently

[00:51:16,013]: Everyone’s like oh Mike Pompeo

[00:51:17,693]: He’s treated as like a legitimate person

[00:51:20,153]: No one has ever…the right does not hold its own people accountable on the most basic level

[00:51:25,913]: Why don’t we say the right

[00:51:26,713]: The Republican Party is controlled opposition okay

[00:51:29,913]: Because they’ve never really put up a fight

[00:51:32,033]: Let’s go back to the three central tenets of Trumpism you know immigration border and sovereignty trade and ending forever wars

[00:51:39,193]: The official apparatus of the Republican Party hates all three of them and doesn’t agree with any of them

[00:51:45,633]: Jim is that still true

[00:51:46,733]: It’s 100

[00:51:47,673]: Look what happened here in the last 24 hours on the immigration side

[00:51:52,153]: All of a sudden there was a…they promulgated that because of big agriculture’s needs that we can no longer have raids on farms raids in hotels all of it that that had to be countered by President Trump saying hey there’s 20 million illegal aliens

[00:52:06,733]: I’m gonna get them all out of here

[00:52:07,713]: And then today or this morning he came out with we’re gonna triple down the raids in sanctuary cities right

[00:52:13,013]: I’m gonna get all these guys out of here

[00:52:14,593]: No there’s huge institutional fight led by Fox News right

[00:52:18,273]: Their biggest is the forever wars

[00:52:20,313]: But if you look at the Wall Street Journal and if you look at Fox News on the trade and bringing jobs back from China they’re very ambivalent about that

[00:52:28,513]: They’re talking about the cost of living

[00:52:29,853]: I mean they’re putting up that you know because they’re all free traders which is the way the country got in the first place

[00:52:36,113]: They’re also quite ambivalent on the immigration and mass deportation

[00:52:41,253]: Remember mass deportation it’s just not the criminals

[00:52:43,313]: You have to get President Trump said today 20 million

[00:52:46,053]: I say it’s 10 came in on Biden’s watch

[00:52:48,953]: They all have to leave

[00:52:50,033]: But you’re seeing a lot of ambivalence of that particularly the Republican Party

[00:52:52,993]: The Wall Street Journal says well no they add 2 1 5 to 2 to GDP right

[00:52:58,913]: Because they buy so much stuff

[00:53:00,213]: Number two they’ve driven down wages among particularly low skilled black and Hispanics

[00:53:05,213]: I say this is why we put the coalition together

[00:53:07,553]: This is why 39 of black men are voting for us

[00:53:10,073]: This is why South Texas is now MAGA territory because they understand their wages to be driven down

[00:53:15,633]: So I think the Republican Party hates the basic tenets of President Trump’s platform particularly the one they most hate is ending the forever wars

[00:53:24,773]: That’s tied to both Wall Street

[00:53:26,633]: It’s tied to the defense industry

[00:53:28,113]: It’s also tied to this mentality that we have an American empire

[00:53:31,593]: Remember you and I saying hey we are actually a republic

[00:53:34,773]: We want to go back to being a republic

[00:53:36,373]: Like the founders of our country when they set the Constitution they looked to Republican Rome

[00:53:41,853]: That was their source of things not the Roman Empire

[00:53:45,173]: What we’ve done in fact they said I think it was General Washington don’t go over seas looking for monsters to slay right

[00:53:53,733]: We have enough to do here

[00:53:55,353]: Let’s do this

[00:53:56,033]: And I think that that’s what we’ve gotten so far off track and we have an American empire

[00:53:59,373]: That empire has to be taken apart brick by brick because all it’s done is to basically destroy the inner workings of the United States and just particularly destroy the very people who are the cannon fodder in these wars right

[00:54:13,713]: And that’s why

[00:54:15,013]: Drive around the country

[00:54:16,593]: Just get in your vehicle and drive

[00:54:18,373]: And I don’t see how anybody could say things are better now than they were 15 or 20 years ago or 40 years ago

[00:54:25,333]: It’s a disaster

[00:54:26,373]: And so the empire destroys the country

[00:54:28,953]: Rick And you add on top of it the national debt and the trillion dollars every month and the discussions

[00:54:33,393]: We have a discussion

[00:54:35,573]: Doge goes to a bunch of different places but they never go to the Pentagon

[00:54:38,673]: They’re not really allowed to go to the Pentagon

[00:54:40,533]: We have a budget that we’re talking about how do we make these cuts

[00:54:43,473]: How do you cut Medicaid

[00:54:44,153]: How do you cut the food stamp program which all have to be looked at and done

[00:54:47,733]: But it’s sacrosanct

[00:54:48,873]: We can’t even talk about defense

[00:54:50,093]: We have a trillion dollar defense budget

[00:54:51,913]: And I keep saying Trump’s laid out a strategy of hemispheric defense

[00:54:55,633]: It’s very different than post war where we’re everywhere the American empire and really around the ring of the Eurasian landmass right

[00:55:02,873]: And I said he’s talking about a hemispheric defense

[00:55:05,473]: The budget is totally misaligned with the hemispheric defense both in the allocation to the Navy taking down big army

[00:55:11,353]: But hey baby the defense budget is going to go and you’re not going to cut a penny out of it because like you you’re raising your voice as someone that likes Israel and agrees with Israeli nation

[00:55:23,813]: You’re saying that you raise your voice and all of a sudden you’re being eviscerated that you’re an enemy of the Jewish people that you’re an anti Semite

[00:55:30,713]: Not just that you’re an appeaser

[00:55:32,913]: And he said Doge is a pacifist right

[00:55:36,153]: Appeasing a pacifist because they understand

[00:55:38,633]: Show up at my house and find out how far my pacifism extends

[00:55:42,113]: No I mean it’s slander and it bothers me simply because it does convince people whose opinions I care about and who I care about personally and it fractures relationships

[00:55:55,693]: And it also comes from people I know really well and that Ari Fleischer who I’ve never respected but I always liked him and he wrote something

[00:56:04,633]: Somebody sent me this thing yesterday and I’m just a carnival barker and I’m pretending to have my views and I texted him and I was like Come on

[00:56:11,393]: Like this is not

[00:56:12,553]: You know I may be totally wrong

[00:56:14,273]: You of course disagree with me

[00:56:15,453]: That’s fine

[00:56:16,573]: But you know that I’m sincere

[00:56:17,773]: I’m totally sincere

[00:56:18,893]: Why else would I do this

[00:56:20,113]: Of course he didn’t respond to me but it’s painful

[00:56:22,033]: Ronald McClendon Jr Ari who every day went to the podium and told us another day away from finding weapons of mass destruction

[00:56:28,573]: How can they sit there and lie to the nation

[00:56:30,313]: Now I am quite serious

[00:56:34,033]: Given…because you’re a product of Washington D C Yeah

[00:56:38,573]: There’s no one better in an emergency we have an emergency we have a break the glass emergency to actually be an advisor to the president right in a temporary thing than you who know the whole…you know the canvas

[00:56:51,273]: Not that you’re…but you could sit there in the NSC in the tank or the tanks of Pentagon but down where the Kennedy room and actually walk through this is the apparatus

[00:57:02,473]: This is what we have to do

[00:57:03,753]: This is what we have to do with the FBI

[00:57:05,233]: This is what we have to do with the CIA

[00:57:07,173]: This is what we have to do with DNI the Pentagon

[00:57:08,973]: And then we have people execute that

[00:57:10,693]: Yeah I would never survive that

[00:57:12,553]: But I mean I don’t come back…I had breakfast alone in the dining room of the Metropolitan Club this morning which is a place I love

[00:57:18,113]: It’s the only person there

[00:57:19,653]: It’s me and the waiters who I know well and love

[00:57:22,253]: And the second I walk outside that building I’m like whoa the vibe in the city is

[00:57:26,853]: It’s bad it’s bad

[00:57:27,633]: Can you feel that

[00:57:28,733]: I do feel it

[00:57:29,353]: Ever since President Trump left in January of 2021 because there was an armed camp then we had around

[00:57:36,793]: I had left by then

[00:57:38,113]: I was like I’m out

[00:57:38,853]: You came to the war room

[00:57:40,473]: We had 100 National Guard troops with two Humvees barbed wire everywhere

[00:57:45,613]: It took from the guys at Fox and One America to come up to the war room

[00:57:49,033]: It’s only a five minute walk up the hill 45 minutes to get there

[00:57:52,213]: You had to go through checkpoints

[00:57:53,713]: Ever since that time and I hate to say with all the positive energy President Trump has brought it’s still a dark specter

[00:58:01,093]: This imperial capital is probably

[00:58:03,093]: I tell you why

[00:58:04,253]: They understand there’s an eternal civil war here that one side’s going to win and one side’s going to lose

[00:58:10,273]: Their belief is they’re going to wait us out

[00:58:12,553]: That for all the Tucker Carlson’s and Steve Bannon’s and other people around President Trump are sitting there going the Bobby Kennedys right

[00:58:20,133]: And other people that know how this apparatus works at every level and are sitting there going we have to do this now

[00:58:25,073]: They believe that they will wait President Trump out

[00:58:27,753]: I don’t put a possibility of an assassination

[00:58:32,253]: If President Trump is to go too far into this and bring you into that do not think they would not think of an assassination attempt

[00:58:38,833]: They have no intention of turning over control and power of the most powerful empire in man’s history

[00:58:46,553]: It has to be taken from them

[00:58:47,973]: I tell people we either do it now if we don’t do it now this wave of people that have come together we’re not going to be able to do it

[00:58:57,793]: And if we don’t do it I’m not sure we win another election

[00:59:01,353]: Because I think people they’re going to force us into doing either not deporting the 10 million right

[00:59:06,593]: And not securing the border not forcing China and not really cutting tough deals that start to bring real high value added manufacturing jobs back because Wall Street doesn’t want that

[00:59:14,833]: They think our labor cost is too high

[00:59:16,953]: They think the environmental cost is too high

[00:59:18,673]: They love the slave labor of Lao Wai Zhang

[00:59:20,773]: And most importantly they’re not going to stop the war machine

[00:59:24,913]: They’re not going to stop

[00:59:25,613]: And I’m not a pacifist

[00:59:26,473]: I spent eight years of my life as a naval officer

[00:59:27,933]: My daughter went to West Point

[00:59:29,593]: She fought in Iraq in 2010 under Obama right

[00:59:32,933]: It’s not that we’re pacifists

[00:59:34,353]: We see what we see

[00:59:36,393]: And what we see now is a very evil specter over this imperial capital

[00:59:41,113]: And one side is going to win the President Trump kind of rebels or revolutionaries versus this Praetorian Guard apparatus

[00:59:48,153]: And that’s why this fight to me is going to happen the next 200 or 300 days

[00:59:51,958]: We’re going to know if there’s enough momentum on our side to actually win

[00:59:57,718]: Yeah

[00:59:58,278]: It’s a spiritual thing

[01:00:00,178]: I texted my wife this morning the second this administration is gone I’m never coming back here

[01:00:04,918]: I mean I got here in 1985 and it’s really shocking

[01:00:09,358]: You feel that though when you’re here

[01:00:11,918]: Yeah

[01:00:12,398]: It’s just dark

[01:00:13,418]: It’s super dark

[01:00:15,198]: And where I live normally is very you know it’s not thriving at all

[01:00:18,878]: It’s poor

[01:00:19,218]: And there are lots of problems and people die of drug ODs and all that but you don’t feel

[01:00:23,478]: A lot of people die of drug ODs but you do not feel this kind of

[01:00:27,558]: We sold our house five years ago

[01:00:29,178]: My wife sold it over the phone

[01:00:32,258]: And next thing I know there is a

[01:00:33,938]: It was a great beautiful house

[01:00:35,258]: Super pretty house

[01:00:36,518]: Not huge but beautiful in the District of Columbia

[01:00:40,198]: And she sells it to a CIA officer who pays the cash

[01:00:44,558]: And the next thing you know there’s a Ukraine flag flying from my flagpole

[01:00:48,538]: And I’m not making this up

[01:00:49,798]: And my neighbor sent it to me

[01:00:50,958]: He’s like oh look what happened to your house

[01:00:52,538]: A house I really loved

[01:00:54,298]: And I was like wow that’s just a metaphor

[01:00:56,638]: But okay so let me ask you

[01:00:58,338]: You’ve made a couple of allusions

[01:01:00,258]: I almost don’t want to ask you because it’s upsetting but to the country coming apart to conflict here

[01:01:06,398]: Clearly there’s been a rise in violence

[01:01:08,818]: This weird Minnesota story which I’m not even gonna ask you about because I don’t understand it at all

[01:01:12,638]: I don’t think anybody does

[01:01:14,378]: But I want to ask you about what’s happening in California

[01:01:16,538]: It does seem like resisting federal authority on immigration is an act of sedition more profound than anything they did at Fort Sumter in 1861

[01:01:26,698]: And this is not resolved

[01:01:29,018]: Like I don’t

[01:01:29,638]: What are we watching right now in California with Gavin Newsom

[01:01:32,358]: You’re from DC

[01:01:33,478]: I’m from Richmond

[01:01:34,438]: Yeah

[01:01:34,598]: I’m raised in Richmond

[01:01:35,358]: And I keep telling people I thought we settled this about federal law and states rights in succession in the mid 1860s

[01:01:44,458]: We had a civil war to determine the outcome of this

[01:01:47,398]: We’ve had that discussion

[01:01:48,378]: We’ve had that argument

[01:01:49,278]: It’s been settled

[01:01:50,278]: I said this to President Trump in the first term that this whole thing of sanctuary cities and sanctuary states is absolutely a neo Confederate mentality that you can have

[01:02:01,418]: Gavin Newsom right

[01:02:02,958]: Have you said that

[01:02:04,418]: Yes I’ve said it

[01:02:05,078]: That it’s neo Confederate

[01:02:05,838]: That’s so smart

[01:02:06,798]: It’s a neo Confederate

[01:02:07,878]: It is

[01:02:08,578]: That’s exactly what it is

[01:02:10,098]: I’m stealing that by the way

[01:02:11,318]: No no no

[01:02:11,858]: Because

[01:02:12,098]: So good

[01:02:12,578]: And Jackson look he had this thing before the Civil War with Andrew Jackson and John C

[01:02:16,978]: Calhoun on tariffs where they remember the landed aristocracy in South Carolina were some of the richest people

[01:02:23,618]: I think Charleston had more what would be equivalent to billionaires at the start of the Civil War than any place on earth

[01:02:29,038]: And it shows in the battery down there

[01:02:31,538]: Yeah

[01:02:31,798]: Magnificent city today

[01:02:34,598]: John C

[01:02:35,358]: Calhoun as his vice president was gonna stop and go down and defend South Carolina

[01:02:39,738]: He said we’re not gonna do these tariffs

[01:02:40,878]: And Jackson said I’m gonna call the army down there and if Calhoun’s defying me I’m gonna hang him from the first lamppost

[01:02:48,518]: I mean Jackson was a guy who was gonna take immediate action

[01:02:50,958]: What’s happening in California is kind of the equivalent

[01:02:54,158]: You’ve had the sanctuary cities and if President Trump had not sent the troops in and federalized the National Guard what would happen in L A was what we see in all these cities

[01:03:01,738]: It would explode

[01:03:02,598]: It would have been the summer of love of 2025 where there was a lot more rhetoric than actually action

[01:03:07,598]: And one of the reasons President Trump had Bill Barr and Esper and all these people that wouldn’t execute what he wanted now he’s got a team

[01:03:14,058]: And that’s why I’m so glad he came out last night and says I’m doubling and tripling down the rates

[01:03:18,878]: My recommendation on the show the day after this stuff happened over that weekend was President Trump ought to triple the ICE raids and he ought to go to you know he ought to go to schools

[01:03:28,618]: Hey they gotta go right

[01:03:30,558]: They have to go and it’s not pleasant

[01:03:32,078]: We gotta be very humane about it but you have to have a show of force

[01:03:35,418]: And if you need to send in the Army if you need to send in federalized National Guard we have to do it

[01:03:40,118]: California is the railhead of this

[01:03:42,058]: That’s why you have to break it there

[01:03:43,618]: It’s going to obviously pop up in Chicago and New York but you have to take in

[01:03:47,598]: Stephen Miller said this and I’ve known Stephen a long time you know Andrew and Stephen Miller and Ben Shapiro Alex Martin they all came out of kind of West L A right

[01:03:55,298]: Ben might have been the Valley but they’re all West L A guys

[01:03:58,318]: Stephen Miller has been saying since the time I knew him the war for America is going to be won or lost on the streets of Los Angeles

[01:04:04,998]: He said this now for almost 20 years and this is what this fight and this is what’s so disturbing about the timing

[01:04:11,358]: We’re totally focused on that and President Trump actually implementing the deportations the mass deportations and all of a sudden this thing breaks out in Persia in the Middle East and now the whole country’s just focused on that

[01:04:23,318]: It’s almost like a time diversion to get our attention

[01:04:25,918]: It does feel that way

[01:04:27,178]: Because Bibi gave it up

[01:04:28,958]: There was no it didn’t have to happen on Thursday night

[01:04:32,218]: We were told well it was leaks oh there’s a bomb and they’re going to have it and you know this is something they have to have immediately immediately immediately

[01:04:38,478]: He comes on Brett Baier and says well it’s 12 or 13 months

[01:04:41,078]: We’ve heard the 12 or 13 months for 20 years

[01:04:43,998]: Maybe it is 12 or 13 months but that doesn’t mean you have to act on Friday

[01:04:47,878]: Why is it Thursday and Friday when we’re in the middle of actually the most important part of this third world war is the 10 million invaders we’ve had in this country or 20 million according to President Trump

[01:04:57,518]: They all have to go

[01:04:58,718]: You understand that there’s many bad actors that came in on this right that are now sleeper cells in this country

[01:05:05,158]: Everybody’s got to go

[01:05:06,118]: And we have to do it

[01:05:06,938]: That is the when I talk about third world war the central battlefront for the United States of America is internal to the United States of America

[01:05:14,758]: This is why we have to focus on this in the timing because there’s no coincidences of how all of a sudden we’re asked to do bombing runs in Iran a half a world away and it sucks up all the media attention that you don’t even there’s not even a discussion on this

[01:05:30,218]: And that’s why President Trump coming out and doubling down

[01:05:32,358]: And Homan and Stephen Miller there ought to be three more raids tomorrow and we got to get the focus back on that

[01:05:37,298]: So

[01:05:37,478]: How should you deal with I mean when Orval Faubus who was the governor of Arkansas in 1956 presides over the state that refuses to desegregate after the Supreme Court says you have to desegregate in Brown versus Board

[01:05:50,678]: And Dwight Eisenhower who’s not a liberal says you can’t ignore federal authority on a federal issue

[01:05:58,658]: This is a Supreme Court decision

[01:05:59,818]: And he sends the 101st Airborne to Little Rock to Central High School and says sorry you’re going to desegregate

[01:06:04,738]: Now whatever you think of that it’s kind of disgusting in certain ways but it’s also essential to preserving the union

[01:06:12,418]: I mean I don’t understand like how can you have your biggest state being like no to the federal government

[01:06:20,958]: Like what

[01:06:21,838]: On a central issue

[01:06:22,878]: On a central issue

[01:06:23,598]: You have a lot of sovereignty

[01:06:24,238]: Who lives here

[01:06:25,058]: Yes

[01:06:25,458]: Who takes federal benefits

[01:06:27,038]: Who’s actually a citizen

[01:06:28,058]: Who has allegiance to this country

[01:06:29,778]: Who gets to choose our leadership

[01:06:32,098]: In a democratic system

[01:06:33,098]: This is why this radical neo Marxist Democratic Party will fight…this is the hill they will die on

[01:06:38,418]: So but I don’t understand how you can put up with that

[01:06:41,558]: How can you put up with that

[01:06:42,598]: That’s like maybe a little more important than whether Iran gets the bomb

[01:06:45,358]: Well you can’t

[01:06:46,418]: And by the way the American people the American people don’t

[01:06:48,998]: I think it’s like 60 40 where they agree with President Trump on these mass deportations

[01:06:53,438]: Remember one of the reasons we’re winning the African American vote is President Trump does not believe like the Democratic Party and Kamala Harris in mass incarcerations

[01:07:00,938]: He believes in mass deportation

[01:07:02,578]: When I was in prison the only thing I put up from Danbury was like on the 26th of August

[01:07:06,378]: I said hey victory’s at hand

[01:07:07,678]: I can tell from the prisoners in Danbury the young Hispanics and blacks who hate the Democratic Party

[01:07:13,388]: Yeah

[01:07:13,668]: And they particularly hated Kamala Harris because I said look the Democratic Party is for mass incarcerations to break our families and to make us dependent upon the government

[01:07:21,488]: I mean these guys were smarter than guys going to Yale in the political science department because it’s a lived experience of them

[01:07:26,848]: And they support mass deportations because in a place like Danbury 10 of the prison is bad hombres from these other countries that are the most dangerous criminals convicts you have in these prisons

[01:07:38,388]: People at the street level have our back on this

[01:07:41,648]: This is this new coalition

[01:07:43,648]: But we have to we have to succeed in this

[01:07:46,388]: We have to succeed in the deportations and getting wages to rise

[01:07:49,588]: In fact I think there was just something in the Wall Street Journal

[01:07:51,448]: They said wages for low skilled workers are coming up

[01:07:54,308]: Yeah

[01:07:54,468]: Right

[01:07:54,688]: Because guess what

[01:07:55,828]: You have less non citizens here competing against the people in their own country shouldn’t have to compete against a non citizen for a job

[01:08:03,948]: This is President Trump’s the centerpiece of the entire Make America Great Again movement

[01:08:08,928]: And that’s why it has to succeed

[01:08:10,508]: And everybody now in the official political apparatus is trying to thwart him in this

[01:08:16,568]: And this is why it’s so important for him to go

[01:08:18,908]: And the deep state is also remember one of the reasons that DHS is burning through money and there’s not as many deportations

[01:08:26,128]: You talk to the guys at the White House you talk to the guys at DHS they’re still playing by the old playbook

[01:08:30,668]: In other words they have to have a deportation order from a court

[01:08:33,548]: They go to a guy’s house and make sure there’s no kids around

[01:08:36,088]: They take like 20 agents a week to go serve on two people and get them out of here

[01:08:41,448]: Well obviously that doesn’t that’s the old playbook

[01:08:43,828]: You have to get much more aggressive on your deportations

[01:08:46,988]: I think Miller and Holman are trying to change the culture over there to actually do it

[01:08:51,168]: But even there the apparatus it’s the administrative state’s got its own mind how they’re going to do things

[01:08:56,668]: I think this is one of President Trump’s big battles

[01:08:59,088]: My last question has to do with like the first principle from which these positions flow which is there’s a certain segment of our population I think the majority who think the U S government’s job is to help American citizens in America but there is another very powerful segment which is most of the U S government that believes the opposite

[01:09:17,608]: Ten years ago I’m on an Amtrak train to New York from Washington for work at Fox and I get a call from a neocon writer called Julia Ioffe who I think is Russian born writing for the New Republic

[01:09:27,428]: And she says to me and at this point I’m like she thinks I’m a neocon or something but she’s calling me for like what do we make of Trump

[01:09:34,368]: And she goes Trump’s calling himself a nationalist

[01:09:37,868]: She was like way offended

[01:09:39,048]: And it was just prima facie like nationalism bad

[01:09:41,588]: And I said well I’m a nationalist

[01:09:43,908]: And she goes she’s not stupid

[01:09:45,568]: And she goes you’re a nationalist

[01:09:47,928]: I said well I don’t know

[01:09:48,928]: I think I am

[01:09:49,548]: I mean I like America

[01:09:50,588]: I think the U S government should work for America

[01:09:52,648]: She was like horrified

[01:09:54,128]: And I don’t think I’ve ever spoken to her again

[01:09:57,188]: Why does that idea which is non threatening it’s not a Nazi idea

[01:10:01,408]: It’s like a basic idea

[01:10:02,848]: It was the founder’s idea that the U S government should act on behalf of Americans

[01:10:06,348]: Why is that offensive

[01:10:07,508]: So offensive to some people

[01:10:08,908]: What is that

[01:10:09,248]: I’m gonna tell my Mark Levin story because I like Mark a lot and I think he’s one of the smartest guys in the Constitution

[01:10:14,408]: Although I will say I think we’re opposed on every big topic dealing with Maggie Prescott Trump just saying because Mark is a neoliberal neocon

[01:10:22,788]: And that’s what Fox is right

[01:10:24,068]: Which is different than populism nationalism

[01:10:26,388]: Totally different

[01:10:27,208]: They’re two different

[01:10:28,168]: And I’ve always gotten along with Mark

[01:10:29,408]: Yeah

[01:10:29,608]: And this is why neoliberals this is why neoliberal neocons the whole Fox apparatus this is what the Murdochs are

[01:10:35,408]: They’re much

[01:10:35,948]: There’s just a difference

[01:10:37,348]: You know Gore Vidal said it’s just two sides of kind of the same coin that run the American empire

[01:10:41,008]: Because the American empire is run on neoliberal principles and neocon principles

[01:10:44,948]: So Mark when I kept saying nationalism and populism and nationalism he calls me up

[01:10:49,788]: And as you know Mark he goes Bannon he goes you got to drop nationalism

[01:10:53,148]: And I go this is 10 years ago 12 years ago when I first joined up Breitbart

[01:10:56,928]: And I go I go why

[01:10:58,728]: He says it’s Americanism

[01:10:59,968]: And I go no Mark it’s actually nationalism right

[01:11:02,548]: And I tried walking through

[01:11:03,608]: He goes no no no no it’s Americanism

[01:11:05,128]: And then he puts out a book later I think Americanism which talks about certain tenets of nationalism but they don’t want to use that phrase I think because of connotations that came from Europe in the 19th century

[01:11:16,748]: And then obviously in the 20th century I said this is completely different

[01:11:20,488]: It is populist nationalism

[01:11:22,268]: It is a populist movement that puts America first and American citizens first

[01:11:26,908]: That’s the big part of the nationalism they never get to

[01:11:30,188]: That is what unites us

[01:11:31,128]: But how can they say that is bad

[01:11:32,788]: I’m honestly 10 years in I’m baffled by it

[01:11:35,228]: Like what’s bad about that

[01:11:36,288]: If you mention that word they just they get lit up

[01:11:39,708]: I have still many people today

[01:11:41,628]: People accuse me oh in fact Ben and Ben Shapiro is one of the smartest guys in the country

[01:11:47,248]: Ben said when I was running Breitbart when he left whether he left or was on a quarter I fired him

[01:11:52,588]: It’s still a matter of debate

[01:11:53,848]: It’s still a matter of debate

[01:11:55,668]: Ben goes I turned Breitbart into Trump Pravda right with the populist nationalism and away from Andrews Cortez

[01:12:03,628]: So listen that is an ideological fight about nomenclature which is very important in us going forward

[01:12:09,328]: But the tenets of it and what we’re trying to do I think is what you’re seeing President Trump do

[01:12:13,928]: We have a government apparatus of these people that when institutions carry on year after year after year and pass the baton and they control

[01:12:24,688]: And you know many of these people most of them have come from middle class backgrounds

[01:12:27,688]: They’re not coming just from elite

[01:12:29,568]: No they’re not Rockefellers

[01:12:30,728]: Not Rockefellers

[01:12:31,128]: No

[01:12:31,448]: There are some Rockefellers and there’s some Nepo babies but They’re irrelevant

[01:12:35,048]: Yeah

[01:12:35,368]: Mainly it’s just middle class people

[01:12:37,108]: Strivers

[01:12:37,448]: But they’re in control of the greatest most powerful apparatus on earth

[01:12:42,368]: And you mentioned earlier today the thought of going into war and actually killing people

[01:12:47,248]: That’s something that turns certain people into the power of it right now

[01:12:51,808]: And that’s what I tell people

[01:12:54,088]: When you come to Washington you can really feel it’s a spiritual war because of the dark specter that hangs over this town

[01:13:00,108]: Now that spiritual war manifests itself in money and power

[01:13:03,928]: And you see so many people I’ve seen come here in Congress and people I’ve known that come here and they get corrupted and they get corrupted because that basic human nature of being attracted to money and power is very tough

[01:13:19,468]: And we’re in a situation now that people we admire people we like people we’ve known we have to go to war with them

[01:13:26,248]: This war against this apparatus is going to be as brutal as the war we’re fighting in the streets of Los Angeles today to make sure that actually Los Angeles is part of this American Republic

[01:13:38,528]: Because right now California is not

[01:13:40,728]: But the major cities in this country led by Los Angeles and San Francisco are definitely not

[01:13:45,228]: They’re a totally different entity

[01:13:46,708]: I’m sad to hear you say that because the last thing I want to do is spend my day arguing with Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin

[01:13:52,848]: I mean I agree with those guys on a lot and I know them of course

[01:13:55,988]: I’m not mad at them personally even now

[01:13:58,588]: I don’t want to fight with them

[01:13:59,988]: You know what I mean

[01:14:00,648]: I want to fight with George Soros or something or Gavin Newsom

[01:14:05,188]: But I feel like they are making it

[01:14:07,168]: This is my read probably self serving but I feel like they’re making it impossible to sit back in silence as they wreck the country

[01:14:15,948]: And that fight as important as that is to me is a secondary tertiary fight right now

[01:14:21,988]: Then the fight that we need you on and the fight we need you on you have a unique historical understanding of the institutions of this town and the smarts

[01:14:31,448]: We need a handful of smart people around President Trump

[01:14:34,948]: They’re saying look we put Cash and Bongino in the FBI

[01:14:39,408]: We’ve put Ellis in Radcliffe’s CIA

[01:14:42,768]: We put a handful of great people at DOJ

[01:14:44,988]: We put Pete in a handful of great people at Defense

[01:14:47,308]: We put Tulsi and Joe Kent in a handful of people at DNI

[01:14:49,868]: It’s not enough

[01:14:51,628]: The apparatus still runs the deal

[01:14:54,188]: We are hanging on in a very tenuous shape

[01:14:56,608]: We need to go to war like they want to go to war in Persia

[01:15:01,408]: We need to go to war with them

[01:15:02,568]: And I mean take the sword out of the scabbard and throw away the scabbard

[01:15:06,628]: We have to do that now

[01:15:07,948]: Damn if I got anywhere near any kind of institutional power which I’ve never sought and I don’t seek now but if I ever did you know I think the Tom Cottons and the donors and people like that I mean I think that would be really hard

[01:15:23,668]: If they put Kitty Porter on my computer I’d get pancreatic

[01:15:27,128]: I don’t know man

[01:15:28,068]: First off just the announcement of that the intention of that would unmask

[01:15:34,908]: Part of this is going through an unmasking

[01:15:37,108]: Who’s on our side and who’s not on our side

[01:15:39,768]: Because a lot of people that are pretending to be on our side are on the opposite side

[01:15:44,388]: And we can go through a great unmasking

[01:15:46,228]: What they fear is sincerity because I’m hardly the smartest person in D C not in D C but I’m hardly the smartest person in this conversation at all

[01:15:53,408]: And I don’t think I’m like you know have like brilliant cohesive philosophical ideas or anything like that

[01:15:59,488]: I’m just sort of a bumbling middle aged you know hopefully try to be Christian person

[01:16:05,148]: But I’m totally sincere

[01:16:07,588]: And that’s why they hated MTG who’s also you know we probably got the same SAT score you know what I mean

[01:16:14,728]: It’s like but she’s not kidding

[01:16:17,228]: She’s total in that kind of in that chick way where they get mad and they just like start telling the truth

[01:16:22,888]: Only women do that

[01:16:24,788]: No she look she’s central to MAGA

[01:16:27,108]: I mean what do you mean

[01:16:27,788]: She’s been

[01:16:28,668]: Well she’s written out today by Mark Levin

[01:16:30,668]: I know

[01:16:30,948]: She and I don’t always agree on everything but she’s 100 MAGA

[01:16:34,228]: It’s not even a question

[01:16:34,868]: That shows you the level they’re prepared to go to

[01:16:36,948]: No

[01:16:37,788]: What you have is which is tough in this town to get is actually historical understanding of these institutions

[01:16:46,888]: The only other person and this would be great if you did it the only other person I know that has that is Bobby Kennedy

[01:16:55,128]: Bobby Kennedy has that understanding obviously what his family’s gone through but he at a very deep level he knows the interconnections

[01:17:01,568]: Good friend of mine

[01:17:02,468]: Seeing him tomorrow morning

[01:17:05,108]: Steve Bannon thank you for taking the time to do this

[01:17:07,628]: I am grateful and Godspeed in this city

[01:17:10,508]: Thanks

[01:17:11,228]: Tucker it’s amazing

[01:17:12,508]: I can’t wait till you get your appointment

[01:17:15,148]: Can’t wait

[01:17:15,968]: Can’t wait to be the first interview on Roar Room after he gets it

[01:17:19,748]: I’m not kidding

[01:17:20,748]: When I get hey I’ve had longer odds on things than this so standby

[01:17:25,328]: Oh my gosh

[01:17:26,168]: Thank you

[01:17:26,688]: Thank you sir

[01:17:31,188]: So it turns out that YouTube is suppressing this show

[01:17:34,888]: On one level that’s not surprising

[01:17:36,528]: That’s what they do

[01:17:37,228]: But on another level it’s shocking

[01:17:38,808]: With everything that’s going on in the world right now all the change taking place in our economy and our politics with the wars we’re on the cusp of fighting right now Google has decided you should have less information rather than more

[01:17:51,508]: And that is totally wrong

[01:17:53,888]: It’s immoral

[01:17:54,848]: What can you do about it

[01:17:56,548]: Well we could whine about it

[01:17:58,168]: That’s a waste of time

[01:17:59,308]: We’re not in charge of Google

[01:18:00,308]: Or we could find a way around it a way that you could actually get information that is true not intentionally deceptive

[01:18:06,448]: The way to do that on YouTube we think is to subscribe to our channel

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[01:18:15,578]: That way you’ll have a much higher chance of hearing actual news and information

[01:18:20,768]: So we hope that you’ll do that

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