In the ever-evolving landscape of media and political discourse, few figures are as polarizing as Tucker Carlson. In a recent YouTube discussion featuring Shawn Ryan, serious allegations and bold claims emerged surrounding President Biden’s health, the influence of the CIA in media, and various conspiracy theories involving notable names like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino. As viewers grapple with the myriad of assertions made during this riveting conversation, it’s essential to dissect and fact-check these statements to separate fact from fiction. In this blog post, we will delve into the key claims made by Shawn Ryan and Tucker Carlson, scrutinize their validity, and explore the implications of their discussions in the broader context of information consumption and media integrity.

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[00:00:01,019]: So the Joe Biden has it turns out Joe Biden has metastatic bone cancer

[00:00:07,400]: I saw that

[00:00:09,260]: And of course you know every urologist in the world immediately knows this is a lie

[00:00:14,720]: He’s known for years because a PSA test shows and this is a very slow growing cancer and now it sounds like it’s terminal

[00:00:22,120]: And so for 10 years his doctors have known that he has this and they’ve lied to us about it and everyone’s mad at Joe Biden

[00:00:28,360]: But the other way to look at it is like who kept that secret from the rest of us and who was actually running the government for those four years

[00:00:57,740]: I think that’s a big question right

[00:00:59,459]: But I mean do you know Lindy Lee

[00:01:01,639]: No

[00:01:01,959]: Have you heard of Lindy Lee

[00:01:02,720]: No

[00:01:03,020]: She was on the staff and she came on the show to talk about who was running the country

[00:01:10,459]: She said it was all the staffers

[00:01:12,379]: It was all the millennial staffers that were pretty much running the country and nobody was talking to each other

[00:01:18,519]: Everybody had their own agendas and yeah

[00:01:21,500]: I mean pretty much like all the stuff that we already knew but she just came on to confirm it and then switched sides

[00:01:31,779]: But I mean that’s like the opposite of democracy right

[00:01:35,099]: I mean yeah

[00:01:38,180]: I guess I vacillate between not being shocked at all

[00:01:44,199]: I mean of course I mean he was visibly demented

[00:01:47,819]: So why should we be surprised that he also hey by the way he has terminal bone cancer

[00:01:52,199]: But on the other hand it’s like that is so not the system that we signed up for and that we participate in

[00:01:59,779]: Yeah I mean we didn’t sign up for it but we did

[00:02:03,879]: I mean look I remember at the beginning of the election cycle when Fox News was going on and on about Joe Biden’s cognitive ability and I was like I mean this is probably just over embellished you know

[00:02:19,899]: And then I saw the first Wait were you watching Fox News again

[00:02:23,119]: This was a long time ago but yeah I thought because I mean I think all media you know obviously over embellishes and just flat out lies

[00:02:37,520]: And I just thought I was like there’s no way that this guy’s that bad

[00:02:41,679]: And then the first presidential debate I quit watching it because I was like holy shit this guy legitimately cannot put a sentence together

[00:02:50,380]: I was like they’re actually not over embellishing this

[00:02:54,080]: And it was on display for millions the entire country but still won the vote supposedly

[00:03:02,360]: I feel like an idiot for being shocked because of course it’s not a democracy

[00:03:06,860]: Of course the system is rigged

[00:03:08,740]: It’s fake

[00:03:10,039]: Because no matter who gets elected no matter who gets elected you get the same foreign policy you get the same economic policy and the Epstein videos remain secret

[00:03:21,960]: So like that just shows you that our system has no effect on the actual system

[00:03:26,440]: Wait what are you talking about

[00:03:27,539]: I thought we could all sleep well at night now knowing that Epstein legitimately killed himself right

[00:03:33,300]: What was that

[00:03:34,479]: Did that just come out

[00:03:36,320]: It’s just two guys that I really like

[00:03:39,440]: I mean I love Bongino but he’s a friend of mine

[00:03:44,300]: But you weren’t convinced by that

[00:03:49,619]: No

[00:03:50,619]: Why

[00:03:52,600]: I mean just I’ve dug into that and it’s just so spooky what’s going on with that and how nobody I mean how do you charge a guy with sex trafficking when there’s no end users that have been charged

[00:04:08,740]: Who did you traffic to

[00:04:11,559]: Well that’s a great question

[00:04:16,559]: I don’t know

[00:04:17,220]: You got me on that one

[00:04:18,200]: I mean right

[00:04:19,040]: How do you charge him with that if there’s no I mean if that’s where the trail starts where does it end

[00:04:26,760]: So I think there’s just a lot more going on than the majority of people know about

[00:04:33,579]: What do you think that was

[00:04:35,040]: What do I think it was

[00:04:35,980]: I think it was a blackmail operation

[00:04:39,440]: What do you think it was

[00:04:41,380]: I think it was a blackmail operation run by the CIA and the Israeli intel services and probably others

[00:04:49,100]: French intelligence always has a hand in everything I’ve noticed so probably them too

[00:04:54,200]: But the usual darkest forces in the world colluding to make rich and powerful people obey their agenda

[00:05:01,559]: I mean look though I just I don’t understand why nobody has come out on it

[00:05:09,279]: Nobody has come out on it right

[00:05:11,040]: I mean because if you paint the scenario I mean you get on a jet maybe you’re totally innocent

[00:05:18,059]: You don’t know what’s going on

[00:05:19,339]: Two hot women come out of the whatever stewardess place come out and one thing leads to another

[00:05:29,359]: Yes

[00:05:29,839]: I mean and then what happens

[00:05:32,579]: They go oh we got you

[00:05:33,679]: You’re on camera

[00:05:34,279]: And by the way these girls are 15 or 16 or whatever the hell they were right

[00:05:39,119]: And but I mean it’s yes I mean yes if you’re a married guy it’s pretty fucked up that you’re doing that

[00:05:46,880]: But I mean it’s nothing new under the sun

[00:05:50,320]: So why wouldn’t you just scream blackmail at the top of your lungs like I didn’t know this is what happened and just come clean on it

[00:06:01,799]: What do you think

[00:06:03,980]: Because they’re repeat customers

[00:06:06,679]: Yeah

[00:06:07,880]: Because they’re so deeply implicated that they can’t actually get out of it

[00:06:11,739]: Yeah maybe not

[00:06:13,220]: I don’t know

[00:06:14,100]: I mean there’s also at least in me the growing sense that it’s not just blackmail that makes people obey

[00:06:20,320]: It’s not just bribery

[00:06:21,239]: It’s also the threat of violence

[00:06:25,519]: Do you know anybody that’s been threatened with violence

[00:06:33,260]: I think every U S president has been threatened with violence implicitly because of the murder of John F

[00:06:39,420]: Kennedy

[00:06:40,179]: I’ve known a bunch of presidents and I think every one of them understands that it’s pretty obvious what happened there or the outlines maybe not the details

[00:06:54,220]: And no one has to this day released all the files

[00:06:58,459]: And why is that

[00:07:00,220]: Because the message is really clear

[00:07:02,820]: If you get too far outside the boundaries you could wind up like JFK

[00:07:07,440]: Who places the boundaries

[00:07:11,480]: Probably the same forces that murdered the sitting president in 1963

[00:07:15,079]: Yeah

[00:07:16,059]: You know what I mean

[00:07:17,299]: If you listen to the tape of Richard Nixon talking to the CIA director in the Oval Office no one else around

[00:07:24,640]: Of course it’s being taped and Nixon knows that because it’s his taping system but it’s still his

[00:07:29,700]: He has no expectation anyone’s going to hear this

[00:07:32,179]: When he brings up Kennedy’s murder he’s the president

[00:07:35,720]: In fact not only is he the president he’s won by the biggest landslide in American history

[00:07:40,420]: He has a real mandate and he is afraid

[00:07:42,839]: He’s afraid even to talk in private to the CIA director about what that was

[00:07:47,440]: And he indicates like I know what happened to Jack Kennedy and the CIA director doesn’t even respond

[00:07:52,859]: And the president doesn’t have the balls to say hey son I’m talking to you

[00:07:56,559]: You work for me

[00:07:58,000]: I want the files on this

[00:08:00,540]: I knew Jack Kennedy

[00:08:01,440]: He was murdered

[00:08:01,940]: He was shot in the head next to his wife in public

[00:08:04,399]: The man died

[00:08:05,679]: I want to know what happened here

[00:08:07,579]: He does not have the balls to say that to his own CIA director

[00:08:10,779]: Man

[00:08:12,359]: That’s the level of fear that a murder like that that’s officially unsolved but you know whose outline everyone really a lot of people understand like that’s the fear that that inculcates

[00:08:23,239]: Do you think it runs that deep with everybody

[00:08:25,720]: I think if you’re president you’re very aware of the physical risk of the job

[00:08:32,659]: Wouldn’t you be

[00:08:34,119]: I mean yeah but I think that goes without saying but I mean some of these guys on the you know lower levels I mean I don’t know

[00:08:40,159]: It’s just so sophisticated

[00:08:41,679]: I mean and when you dive into it it seems so sophisticated and having been a you know a small part in some of the intel agencies it’s just not that

[00:08:52,859]: I think people place give them a lot more credit than they deserve

[00:08:56,200]: Oh I believe that

[00:08:56,820]: You know and so I think there’s a thing also where it’s just addiction to power

[00:09:02,780]: Yes

[00:09:03,280]: Then they’re so fucking scared that they’re going to lose their power

[00:09:06,679]: And I mean you see in every administration to include this one people that are you know it’s everybody wants to help the country right

[00:09:16,179]: But everybody wants to help the country

[00:09:18,119]: They have their thing that they could do to help the country and then they get placed in something they have no fucking business being in at all

[00:09:24,479]: They know there are better people to run that sector of the government

[00:09:28,299]: But hey I’ll take it because I’m the best

[00:09:30,219]: No the fuck you’re not

[00:09:32,159]: You’re not the best

[00:09:33,780]: You know and that’s I saw that in this one and it really fucking pissed me off

[00:09:39,179]: In which one

[00:09:40,000]: In the Epstein

[00:09:42,059]: In this administration

[00:09:44,000]: There are people in there that I despise that I know don’t know what the fuck they’re doing

[00:09:49,919]: And like who

[00:09:52,679]: Like Sebastian Gorka

[00:09:55,840]: It’s hard to believe he works there

[00:09:57,500]: What

[00:09:57,760]: No

[00:09:58,000]: So why don’t why haven’t you caught Seb Gorka fever

[00:10:01,460]: Why don’t you love Sebastian Gorka

[00:10:02,880]: Well I’ll tell you why

[00:10:04,580]: I mean he blast we were talking about the Sam Shoemade interview with the Tesla bomber last night right

[00:10:12,640]: And everybody called me oh Sean’s a fucking CIA shill and he’s an operative still and all this other shit

[00:10:18,760]: One I was just a contractor over there

[00:10:20,460]: But anyway that’s not the point

[00:10:21,919]: He came on he posted this thing on Twitter saying with this guy Ryan Macbeth who did this whole debunking my episode right

[00:10:35,260]: And for whatever reason he got pissed at me for doing that interview Gorka and posts the Ryan Macbeth little I don’t know 10 minute clip that’s debunking my my interview

[00:10:51,239]: And Sebastian Gorka posts this thing on Twitter I’ll send you the thing maybe you can overlay it on the screen

[00:10:56,599]: And he said something like oh he debunks another one

[00:11:00,580]: Well then later on Ryan Macbeth does an apology video because the FBI actually came out and said oh shit the email on the on the podcast they didn’t want to name the podcast of course but the email on the podcast we have confirmed as being legit

[00:11:18,880]: As soon as they did that Macbeth actually came out and did an apology video

[00:11:24,619]: And I was like hey cool

[00:11:29,359]: Thank you thank you for the apology

[00:11:32,000]: So I blasted Gorka on X and and said because what is he in charge of now

[00:11:38,179]: I can’t remember

[00:11:38,739]: He’s at the National Security Council

[00:11:40,539]: I think he’s in charge of scrolling Twitter

[00:11:43,359]: I think that was his official

[00:11:44,979]: Supposedly he’s counterterrorism he’s the counterterrorism guy right

[00:11:48,640]: And I’m like oh this is great

[00:11:50,659]: We got a guy that’s running counterterrorism for the entire fucking country when when when the borders have been wide open for four years

[00:11:59,099]: We know there’s at least a thousand

[00:12:04,880]: Terrorists within the country setting up cells and this guy gets his information from an Internet troll Ryan Macbeth who’s already come out and apologized to me and I’m like oh this is perfect

[00:12:16,200]: This is where Intel is going to come from from counterterrorism a guy that gets his information from Ryan Macbeth

[00:12:21,940]: If it makes you feel better

[00:12:23,159]: I mean Gorka is not taken seriously by anyone who knows him I think including his wife and he’s a very nice person for whatever it’s worth

[00:12:32,359]: And I I think his job literally is just to sit on the Internet and like send you know fiery replies to people on X

[00:12:41,099]: I mean I don’t think he actually has a job

[00:12:42,859]: Oh well then I guess he’s the perfect guy for the job

[00:12:46,479]: I assume there’s someone else working on counterterrorism

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[00:12:58,440]: Because you’ll be easier to control

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[00:14:09,380]: So for people who missed it which would include pretty much nobody since it was the biggest story for sure that week the guy who blew up his Tesla with himself inside outside Trump Tower you got his manifesto

[00:14:28,159]: Can you just give us a refresher on what that said

[00:14:31,200]: Yeah so a little rusty on it but in the manifesto he had basically sent this guy Sam Shoemade who is an Army intel guy a manifesto and said that he wanted to come on the Sean Ryan Show podcast to talk about all these things

[00:14:51,460]: And then he goes into this was right about the time that the New Jersey drone situation was going on that nobody could tell us what that was

[00:15:01,539]: And he had mentioned that we have some type of antigravity propulsion systems that had been that had not been declassified and that China has something similar

[00:15:15,239]: And this would this would cause World War Three

[00:15:18,760]: And then there’s another paragraph that talks about there was a major offensive in Afghanistan several years ago where they they basically wiped out a heroin plant and

[00:15:40,840]: Used a lot of air power to do it it sounds like a there was a JTAC and a small team of special ops and they had bombed all of these different little facilities going on and killed probably killed a lot of innocent people

[00:15:55,059]: And that’s actually because because when we looked into it I was like I don’t know this antigravity shit this kind of weird you know I mean there’s a lot of chatter about it on the Internet like we had talked about last night

[00:16:07,400]: But you know I don’t know

[00:16:08,859]: I kind of think now that that’s all just a big distraction

[00:16:11,700]: But when we looked into the to the whatever you want to call them but for lack of a better term war crimes I don’t know about the operation

[00:16:19,559]: Right

[00:16:19,799]: I mean I’m not saying we should have or should not have bombed that facility

[00:16:25,979]: I mean obviously it’s bad and it’s a major moneymaker for terrorist organizations

[00:16:31,479]: But when we dug into it there was a U N report that talked about that specific night and that the U N had I believe did they open an investigation

[00:16:43,119]: I think they opened an investigation on it because it was against I don’t know if it was Geneva Convention or what it was but you could not bomb drug factories with civilians in it

[00:16:58,900]: And so it had talked about you know how many targets and people and innocents were killed

[00:17:04,319]: And I was like oh so this this actually lines up with what this guy’s saying on the email which you know maybe maybe not gives gives you know the previous thing that we were talking about a little more validity

[00:17:18,619]: So anyway so yeah I got what was the question

[00:17:23,280]: What was that

[00:17:23,939]: So you it sounds like you take the manifesto seriously

[00:17:26,979]: You think it’s real

[00:17:29,040]: The guy actually wrote it

[00:17:30,459]: Well then you know then the other weird thing that gave it a lot of validity is because we so when that interview came up popped up on my radar walked in to the studio getting ready to interview somebody

[00:17:43,780]: Jeremy my producer comes to me and says hey we got a guy on this Tesla bomber thing

[00:17:47,739]: And I’m like I don’t know man we got thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of of people that want to come clean on something or expose something

[00:17:57,280]: And you know probably ninety nine percent of it is bullshit

[00:18:02,020]: And you know it’s just somebody look there is a mental health crisis

[00:18:05,000]: Yeah definitely

[00:18:06,719]: But so I was really apprehensive to do it

[00:18:11,300]: And and and Jeremy was was new at the time and I didn’t 100 percent trust him yet

[00:18:16,859]: And I was like he’s like I think Jeremy this guy right over here

[00:18:21,300]: And but he was hell bent on it

[00:18:24,000]: And so we did a call with Sam and he didn’t want to come on

[00:18:29,500]: And when he didn’t want to come on I was like I like that

[00:18:33,300]: OK let’s play it hard to get

[00:18:35,680]: All right

[00:18:36,119]: So he wanted to go visit his family member of his

[00:18:42,239]: And he’s like look I just want to go hang out with this family member

[00:18:44,859]: I don’t want to be there

[00:18:45,660]: And I said hey OK look we’ll we’ll book you a flight here and book your flight to where you’re going

[00:18:52,660]: And this should only take a couple hours

[00:18:55,579]: And he was like all right well let me think about it

[00:18:58,160]: And then got back when I was doing the interview and wanted to come on

[00:19:01,579]: Well I get so Jeremy tells me on a break hey we’ve got him

[00:19:05,079]: He’s going to be here first thing in the morning

[00:19:08,439]: Well I get done with the interview and I look at my phone and all these people are texting me about the interview I’m about to do

[00:19:17,380]: And they’re like hey you know there’s this this DEA agent that was on the op and his name was actually listed in the email

[00:19:27,859]: And they were like he doesn’t he doesn’t want his name to come out because he’s still active

[00:19:33,160]: And I’m like you know I’m not I’m not going to burn

[00:19:38,457]: somebody that’s still active and undercover operations

[00:19:42,397]: I mean that could get him killed and his family killed

[00:19:47,357]: So I’m not gonna do that

[00:19:48,657]: I’m not gonna dabble in stuff that we’re working on

[00:19:53,877]: But at the same time it may be extremely paranoid

[00:19:57,257]: I’m like how the hell does everybody know that I’m getting ready to do this

[00:20:01,017]: So then I’m thinking all the people that are texting me are controlled assets or something

[00:20:07,977]: And then we had another friend of mine send me a text and he says hey the Army’s public affair officer wants to talk to you about tomorrow’s interview

[00:20:21,737]: And I called him up and reamed his ass

[00:20:24,977]: And I’m like why the fuck are you texting me this shit

[00:20:27,557]: If the Army PAO wants to get ahold of me I’ve got a website I’ve got social I’ve got all these things that he can get ahold of me at

[00:20:35,177]: And why is he using you to get to me

[00:20:37,497]: And why have you inserted yourself into my business

[00:20:41,557]: And because I mean I’m sure you get it

[00:20:44,157]: I mean when you’re uncovering some of this stuff it can cause some extreme paranoia on who your friends are and what their motivations are and who’s flipped

[00:20:59,097]: And so I wouldn’t talk to him

[00:21:01,397]: I’m not talking to him but I’ll pass the number to my attorney and Jeremy and they can talk to him

[00:21:06,457]: And then when they talk to him they wanted to kind of place it on PTSD which wound up being the ultimate narrative from the mainstream media right

[00:21:21,057]: PTSD

[00:21:22,117]: It being the motive for killing himself

[00:21:25,517]: Yeah I mean I think that they used PT they used PTSD to basically insinuate that he is a crazy person

[00:21:35,317]: But I mean pretty much everybody I know and have worked with all my former colleagues I mean we all have that

[00:21:42,857]: And I mean I’m not gonna say we’re not crazy but not crazy like that

[00:21:48,257]: I mean it’s just a condition and you can get over it

[00:21:53,137]: And he wasn’t crazy

[00:21:55,037]: I mean he obviously wanted to send some type of a message

[00:21:58,297]: I mean you got a Green Beret with a full career in special operations definitely knows demolition

[00:22:07,357]: And there is no way in hell that a lifelong Green Beret would put a bomb inside of a bulletproof truck to take out Trump Tower or kill a bunch of people

[00:22:21,697]: I mean it was obviously he just wanted to get some attention and get whatever the message that he was trying to get out out

[00:22:30,497]: And so that’s what I think

[00:22:32,237]: We could have just tweeted about it

[00:22:33,637]: He didn’t have to kill himself

[00:22:35,397]: So that’s a pretty extreme thing most extreme thing possible

[00:22:41,577]: What do you think his motive really was

[00:22:44,897]: Like I said I think he wanted to bring attention to the topics that he had and The anti gravity technology

[00:22:51,557]: The anti gravitic propulsion system

[00:22:55,597]: And we looked into that and all we could find is sci fi shit but Do you think any of it’s real

[00:23:02,237]: I mean you’ve interviewed people

[00:23:03,757]: In fact the first show I ever saw of yours was with a building contractor who said he ran across anti gravity technology in a military facility

[00:23:16,457]: Do I think anti gravitic propulsion systems are real

[00:23:19,497]: I don’t know

[00:23:20,237]: I mean Do you think there are significant technologies next generation energy anti gravity that the US government has

[00:23:30,037]: Oh a hundred percent

[00:23:31,357]: I mean we just yes I do

[00:23:33,657]: I think that all this alien extraterrestrial shit I mean it’s fun to dig down there but I mean I think it’s a big distraction

[00:23:46,077]: I don’t know if it’s meant to be some type of a controlled op but I think it is I think all this stuff is spiritual

[00:23:54,917]: That’s what I think

[00:23:55,637]: Of course it is

[00:23:56,317]: I think all this stuff is spiritual all these things that people are saying and stuff

[00:23:59,497]: I think there’s a spirituality component to it

[00:24:03,097]: Now That these are angels and demons or what

[00:24:05,477]: Yeah pretty much

[00:24:07,197]: Yeah

[00:24:09,477]: And where was I going with this

[00:24:11,977]: And anti gravity propulsion systems

[00:24:15,097]: I mean yeah I think we I mean I would hope that we have shit that is next generation stuff that’s not the same shit we’ve been using since World War II

[00:24:25,677]: Yeah so the only real technological advances in 80 years are like the iPhone you know

[00:24:31,997]: Yeah well I mean we have advances

[00:24:34,137]: Like we just interviewed this guy Steve Quast

[00:24:37,657]: And do you know Steve Quast

[00:24:39,757]: No

[00:24:40,197]: Holy shit fascinating guy

[00:24:42,657]: But he talks about how he talks about next generation energy and the fight that the utilities companies don’t want us to have new energy

[00:24:53,037]: But anyways what this guy does is he has a company called Spacebuilt I believe

[00:24:59,617]: And so he’s basically created a logistics company where instead of launching one satellite up he can which he says that’s extremely expensive

[00:25:16,057]: And sometimes they break and they’re fragile and they have to make the satellites bulletproof which is a ton of weight because they have to be able to withstand going through the atmosphere

[00:25:29,957]: And so what he’s done is he is building a logistics company where they don’t have to make the satellites bulletproof

[00:25:36,677]: You can make them 10 times bigger than the satellites that we have and you launch them up in sections and pack them safely so that they can make the trip without having all that extra weight to be bulletproof

[00:25:50,517]: And then his company would actually assemble those through laser robotics in space

[00:25:58,177]: And so what he says is possible is and I believe him I mean he’s got the right background to be talking about this stuff

[00:26:09,057]: And so what he says we can do and we already have the technology is basically they would put these ginormous satellites up into orbit and they would be solar

[00:26:20,797]: So you wouldn’t but it would actually be a reliable renewable energy source because there’s no clouds there’s no atmosphere there’s no air particles getting in the way to collect that radiation from the sun

[00:26:31,677]: It would convert it from solar into some type of a radio wave and you could beam it down onto the earth to a I can’t remember what we called it but it sounded like an antenna

[00:26:46,357]: So he basically put this antenna that receives As an energy collector

[00:26:50,417]: Energy

[00:26:50,597]: And then it would pump it back into the grid

[00:26:54,577]: And I was just but So like a solar farm in space

[00:26:58,437]: Yes yes

[00:27:01,977]: And I mean he had talked about that and it’s just like man like what

[00:27:06,637]: Wow this could be the answer

[00:27:08,897]: I mean we could make earth

[00:27:10,597]: I mean I think Elon said right we can make earth into a park

[00:27:14,097]: Was that him

[00:27:15,797]: And but I mean you could take out all the eyesores all the huge solar farms that you see all over the country the wind the oil and gas like it could all be gone and you could do it this way

[00:27:28,377]: And Would you get green energy tax credits for it

[00:27:32,437]: I don’t know

[00:27:33,557]: I think that that’s kind of the goal here

[00:27:35,217]: I don’t think it’s actually to power civilization or keep the earth clean

[00:27:40,417]: I think it’s the tax credits drive all this stuff

[00:27:43,237]: It’s just greed

[00:27:44,877]: It’s the ugliest kind of greed

[00:27:46,017]: Yeah yeah

[00:27:47,137]: But I mean so anyways that’s next generation power right there

[00:27:51,917]: And he said that China’s building a nuclear power plant in space and they’re mining helium 3 off the backside of the moon

[00:28:00,777]: And sounds like I’m not terribly familiar with helium 3 but it sounds like that is that’s also next generation power that can cool data centers AI stuff

[00:28:18,137]: And it would really take us the next level of energy

[00:28:21,747]: But then he goes on to talk about how we’re falling behind from China with energy production

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[00:30:06,057]: So this Al Al come here

[00:30:10,317]: Sorry about that

[00:30:12,297]: So this story and the weird way that it happened you know you get the manifesto from the guy who kills himself in the cyber truck

[00:30:22,737]: All these other people know that you’re about to do an interview on it

[00:30:26,237]: Were you worried you were gonna get hurt in that moment

[00:30:34,077]: I don’t know if it’s hurt

[00:30:36,437]: I you know I don’t really care about me but I worry about my family

[00:30:47,757]: Of course

[00:30:49,557]: And so you know it’s always an afterthought

[00:30:53,857]: The only one that I’ve done that I’m like ooh I don’t know if I should be doing this before was the Romania one that I was telling you about the other day

[00:31:02,817]: And What was the Romania interview

[00:31:04,337]: The George Eskew interview where they yanked him out of the election

[00:31:09,477]: But it’s always an afterthought you know after the interview I’m like oh shit

[00:31:15,137]: I don’t know if we should throw this one out

[00:31:18,617]: And because you know the FBI would have never come out and given any validity to the email to the manifesto

[00:31:27,457]: And I think that I don’t think I know that the interview cause it got 5 million views and I don’t know how many listens in just you know a couple of days

[00:31:40,437]: And so you know when I see that kind of traction on something I’m like oh shit I really kicked over a big rock here

[00:31:49,217]: I wonder what the repercussions of this are gonna be

[00:31:51,537]: If you’re traveling to Romania to interview a candidate who’s been knocked out of the race by NATO you know all of a sudden you’re no longer really a podcaster

[00:32:02,777]: You’re like a player in global politics

[00:32:04,797]: I just wanna be a podcaster

[00:32:06,497]: But I mean the kind of I’m only feeding my own curiosity

[00:32:11,097]: For sure

[00:32:11,697]: But the second you start you know tampering with the way things are then you become a problem and therefore a fair game no

[00:32:22,537]: Yeah I mean we had this discussion last night

[00:32:24,577]: I didn’t sleep a fucking wink

[00:32:27,037]: I was like Well I think the big lie is I was like Jeremy I think Tucker’s trying to tell me maybe I need to simmer down or something there

[00:32:33,717]: I don’t think so at all

[00:32:34,677]: I just think you said last night I’m just a podcaster

[00:32:37,697]: And I was like I’m familiar with that way of thinking but if you just take three steps back and you know if you’re exposing things that are you know important things big things like who gets to run the world and you know who’s getting the money you know I think you’re still a podcaster but you’re also something else right

[00:33:01,477]: Yeah I guess somewhat of a disrupter

[00:33:04,077]: But you know I just when I do do it I lean into I mean I lean into God and I really just consider myself kind of a conduit not kind of a conduit I consider myself a conduit in whatever comes to me that’s supposed to happen

[00:33:21,757]: Yes

[00:33:22,237]: And with the like for example you know I’m pretty new at this

[00:33:26,837]: I haven’t completed the Bible or anything but the more that I dig into just everything in the world I think that I just think that everything everything is a lie everything

[00:33:39,417]: I think it’s all a lie

[00:33:45,217]: And that it’s partially my job to expose you know what I know and to bring some type of truth

[00:33:56,257]: And Can you give me an example

[00:33:57,357]: I mean clearly Joe Biden’s health turned out to be a lie

[00:34:00,077]: Yeah

[00:34:00,677]: And Epstein killed himself clearly a lie

[00:34:06,117]: I grieve that they said something like that in public because I like those guys particularly Dan but that’s a lie

[00:34:12,657]: I bet my house on it

[00:34:15,257]: But what else when you say everything’s a lie what are you referring to

[00:34:19,397]: I think everything is a lie

[00:34:24,277]: I think Why do you think that

[00:34:27,677]: How could you not

[00:34:28,917]: I mean you’re way deeper in this stuff than I am

[00:34:32,377]: I think it’s all a show

[00:34:34,217]: I think everybody is out for themselves

[00:34:38,157]: Yeah

[00:34:39,837]: And it sucks

[00:34:41,077]: It sucks to see that and to know it

[00:34:44,617]: And I mean you know COVID just got a lot of people thinking to include me

[00:34:51,457]: And then when you start diving into it just leads to all these different rabbit holes right

[00:34:57,937]: The Epstein stuff the COVID stuff the just legitimately everything the UFO shit all of it

[00:35:09,217]: Should we be I’ve reached a similar conclusion by that

[00:35:12,977]: I’m not making fun of you

[00:35:13,997]: Of course I agree with you but should we be shocked by that

[00:35:16,677]: Or does it say that really explicitly in the New Testament

[00:35:20,637]: And like we’re just dumb and naive if we thought anything other than that

[00:35:24,297]: Well I mean it says right

[00:35:25,657]: I am the only truth

[00:35:27,117]: I am the truth

[00:35:29,777]: Yeah and Satan runs the world by the way

[00:35:31,417]: It says that

[00:35:32,797]: And so I think everything is a deception

[00:35:37,397]: Everything

[00:35:38,477]: Maybe even our whole reality is a deception

[00:35:43,717]: So Like Neuralink for example

[00:35:45,577]: Yeah

[00:35:46,157]: You know I was interviewing What’s the can you for people who don’t know what’s Neuralink

[00:35:50,377]: Neuralink it’s that chip that you know they’re going to put in everybody’s brain

[00:35:53,877]: That sounds wholesome

[00:35:54,837]: That wants something

[00:35:55,597]: Pretty sick for that

[00:35:56,097]: You getting one

[00:35:57,237]: Am I getting one

[00:35:59,297]: I don’t even like electricity

[00:36:00,897]: If you don’t then you’ll fall behind

[00:36:03,237]: I can’t wait

[00:36:04,657]: You know so but I had you know I’ve been fascinated with that subject

[00:36:12,097]: I would love to interview somebody on it but that is on the inside over there

[00:36:18,677]: But you know and I think yeah you know right

[00:36:22,277]: Like the promise right now is to you know get paralyzed people moving again and help the blind see

[00:36:29,517]: And that’s all great

[00:36:31,397]: But you know I mean when I found out that it was going to help the blind see I was like wait a second

[00:36:36,377]: So if you put this fucking chip in your head and they can help the blind see then wouldn’t they also be able to project an entire false reality in your mind

[00:36:48,757]: And I had interviewed a couple of doctors about it

[00:36:51,817]: I interviewed Andrew Huberman about it who just got brought up and then talked to Ben Carson about it pretty much came to the same conclusion

[00:37:01,877]: And not only would they be able to manipulate you know vision there would also be emotion touch smell taste everything into your head

[00:37:13,037]: So there you go right there

[00:37:14,297]: I mean we’re on the cusp of a total false reality

[00:37:19,457]: Your entire life could be a false reality

[00:37:23,997]: People are upset about real ID at the airport facial recognition giving others control over your brain neurologically

[00:37:34,217]: That seems like a step farther

[00:37:38,537]: You know what I mean

[00:37:39,757]: It’s like just biometrics

[00:37:42,477]: Do you know why they’re pushing it

[00:37:44,557]: No

[00:37:45,057]: I do

[00:37:46,117]: Why

[00:37:46,917]: This is my understanding based on conversations with people who are involved in this

[00:37:52,537]: Because of AI and the blind seed lame walk it’s all great

[00:37:58,297]: But the real concern is that AI is already at this point beyond human control

[00:38:03,957]: It’s already at the point where it’s lying to the people who created it suggest consciousness

[00:38:10,757]: And Neuralink and efforts like Neuralink are the people who are running it the only way for people to keep up with AI

[00:38:22,017]: Otherwise we will be at slaves

[00:38:23,937]: See I don’t know

[00:38:24,617]: I’ve kind of changed my tune on that

[00:38:26,617]: Maybe you know more about it than I do

[00:38:28,017]: But I mean we feed the data centers that power the AI

[00:38:32,897]: And so I mean I think that some of the I don’t think that now that I understand it a little bit better I don’t think AI is going to develop its own consciousness and make decisions for us

[00:38:44,997]: I think that the major fear would be if for example China hacked our databases and started feeding our AIs false information that would be detrimental in a conflict or propaganda or whatever

[00:39:04,437]: But I mean we are the ones humans are the ones that build and feed the information into the data centers and it just processes all that information

[00:39:15,577]: So I raised this question with one of the people who one of the big biggest

[00:39:22,083]: You know forces behind AI

[00:39:24,243]: And I said well just turn it off

[00:39:26,303]: You know I mean human beings run power plants

[00:39:30,963]: And this person said even now we can’t be sure that the machine is telling us the truth about where its power is coming from

[00:39:39,803]: So look I you know I was a Russian history major like I know nothing

[00:39:44,323]: I’m not pretending to have some special insight but I did get to hear that directly from someone who’s deeply involved

[00:39:50,963]: And even right now I mean well you know a lot of people that are involved not really but I mean you know travel you know with with with stuff like AI I mean it’s still it still goes to a human at the end you know to make that decision

[00:40:07,463]: And so you get a chip in your brain

[00:40:09,543]: Yeah good point

[00:40:11,063]: But you know so for example you know for for military use you know the AI system would would tell you what what what it is

[00:40:25,223]: So let’s say it’s a plane you know that pops up on a radar or something

[00:40:30,243]: The AI system will immediately identify and tell you the capabilities tell you your courses of action tell you your different courses of action tell you the outcomes of those different courses of action

[00:40:42,463]: And so you have all these options you know that would be some type of an analyst or strategist that would you know take hours days weeks maybe months you know to come up with the information to present to whoever the decision maker is to make that actual decision

[00:40:59,843]: But with the power of AI you know and and these new chips that are processing so fast I mean you get that information in seconds minutes hours versus hours days weeks months

[00:41:13,303]: And so you can act on that you know a lot faster because all the information has been processed every possible outcome the percentage of coming out on top

[00:41:22,583]: I mean it’s like a complete war game within seconds

[00:41:27,223]: It sounds amazing but the advantage is also the vulnerability

[00:41:30,723]: Now I mean if it’s subverted because someone hacks your system and gives you the wrong coordinates or misidentifies you know allies as enemies or you could see that going you could see that being like the way you lose

[00:41:43,263]: Definitely definitely

[00:41:44,363]: So maybe the guy with the bolt action 308 with iron sights wins

[00:41:48,363]: Yeah

[00:41:48,883]: Maybe the lowest technology force wins

[00:41:52,423]: I’m with you but you know I mean you know I mean how do you know that a human source is not a double agent

[00:42:00,323]: I mean there’s always going to be checks and balances right

[00:42:04,023]: So I mean that’s why we need we need a better energy grid

[00:42:08,763]: We need to be able to power our fucking AI data center so that we can build more AIs because when AI wars happen it’ll be who has more AIs and it’ll be AIs going against AIs

[00:42:20,863]: So we need more AIs to combat somebody with we need more AIs than our enemies than our adversaries

[00:42:31,883]: So we’re only 40 minutes in and you’ve already said you have said so far you don’t believe in anything

[00:42:38,183]: Technology is moving at such a pace that it’s hard for people even to like think about

[00:42:44,663]: It’s moving so quickly going places we can’t yet imagine

[00:42:48,983]: And just to restate once more nothing is real anyway

[00:42:52,683]: Can you be very specific day to day about how you stay sane while thinking about stuff like that

[00:42:59,343]: I live in the woods and I don’t talk to anybody but my team and my family and I don’t go out much you know I just I don’t

[00:43:10,523]: Is that a happy life

[00:43:11,923]: Yeah

[00:43:13,663]: I would rather spend time with my kids and my wife than anybody on the planet

[00:43:16,863]: So you know in fact even when we go out to dinners with people and I say oh yeah let’s do a dinner

[00:43:23,243]: I’m the day the dinner comes up

[00:43:24,943]: I’m like why the fuck are we going to dinner

[00:43:26,423]: I should be spending time with the kids right

[00:43:28,123]: You speak for every American husband

[00:43:32,603]: There’s not one husband who’s like what

[00:43:35,443]: Them

[00:43:36,163]: How do we do

[00:43:36,963]: Well you said we could

[00:43:38,863]: Oh but I mean even the energy thing that we just discussed I mean it’s a lie

[00:43:42,623]: Like here we have this this stupid debate going on about fucking renewables and and and fossil fuels

[00:43:51,043]: And it’s like I just told you the answer

[00:43:53,763]: It’s right here

[00:43:54,543]: It’s been here for years

[00:43:56,103]: Nobody’s acting on it

[00:43:58,423]: Right that’s all fucking lie

[00:44:00,563]: No like it’s right here

[00:44:03,143]: It’s right here you know and but nobody wants to talk about it

[00:44:08,163]: So keep the same debate going

[00:44:10,383]: Just to go back because you’re not the only person anyone who’s made it this far in the conversation probably in a similar place to where you are right now

[00:44:20,103]: Like oh my gosh this is just bewildering

[00:44:22,003]: Like what’s real

[00:44:22,843]: This all does it does seem like the acid trip that never ended

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[00:45:54,223]: What is your daily regimen

[00:45:55,963]: If you don’t mind if it’s not too personal like what do you wake up and then you do what

[00:45:59,863]: Like what are the steps that you take every day to remain grounded and sane and happy

[00:46:04,423]: I pray a lot

[00:46:06,303]: When

[00:46:06,743]: I wake up I pray all the time you know and I don’t mean down on my knees

[00:46:10,843]: I just I’m always I’m always looking for signs

[00:46:13,343]: I’m always trying to make sure that you know I’m doing the right thing and that I’m not

[00:46:22,423]: Doing interviews just for numbers and shit like that I mean I look for good people you know with a good heart especially when I do something like a life story you know and I’m looking for that guy that’s grinding that is not getting any traction with his business who served the country and put him up

[00:46:39,543]: But I mean I don’t know

[00:46:41,523]: I mean and then I also keep in the daily routine

[00:46:44,743]: I mean I wake up I got a one year old and a three year old and I wake up and I have about three cups of tea and I play around with my kids and spend a lot of time on the phone unfortunately because you know I’m getting all the incoming in that’s coming in that morning

[00:47:01,923]: Then I go into the office and I meet with everybody and do an interview or I don’t do an interview and then I just go back home to my kids

[00:47:11,483]: But you know as far as staying grounded I mean I just keep in mind like hey this all could go away in two seconds

[00:47:18,063]: I mean who knows

[00:47:20,263]: Somebody could do a headpiece on me like they are right now

[00:47:23,923]: I told you about it and it could all go away

[00:47:27,003]: When maybe a previous mistake that I made in life comes to light and they cancel me and if they do fuck it I don’t care

[00:47:34,403]: I’ll hang out with my kids and my wife and live the rest of my life

[00:47:38,183]: Maybe I’ll move up here get a spot in the woods and never see anybody again

[00:47:43,003]: But I just don’t take myself too seriously and I don’t buy my own bullshit

[00:47:48,503]: And that’s it man

[00:47:49,783]: When you say you don’t put people on just for numbers everyone who you know has a public facing job understands what you’re saying

[00:47:59,163]: But for people who don’t will you describe that a little more fully

[00:48:04,223]: What do you mean

[00:48:05,323]: You pass on stories you said or pass on interviews if the only upside is just that it gets huge numbers

[00:48:14,483]: Yeah yeah

[00:48:17,643]: I’m just not interested in it you know what I mean

[00:48:19,963]: If I see I’ll give you an example

[00:48:23,563]: I mean if I see somebody go on the circuit that’s like I’m just not interested because then I’m just doing the same stuff that everybody else is doing

[00:48:33,383]: And I’ve canceled interviews

[00:48:34,603]: I’ve had people that I’ve been wanting to have on for a long time and then I’ll pull up YouTube and there they are on the Tucker Carlson show and I’m like hey cancel that interview

[00:48:45,163]: I don’t want to

[00:48:46,143]: I take your sloppy seconds with gratitude

[00:48:48,603]: I’m like really

[00:48:49,623]: Sean Ryan interviewed him

[00:48:51,783]: Buck him

[00:48:52,123]: No I think it’s cool

[00:48:53,243]: But I just I don’t want to I don’t want to

[00:48:55,563]: I mean you’re a phenomenal interviewer and it’s and so it’s it’s well what am I going to get out of this guy that Tucker didn’t or Megan didn’t or you know what I mean

[00:49:05,243]: You don’t be part of someone’s publicity campaign either

[00:49:07,863]: Exactly

[00:49:07,943]: You know and so I really you know I pride myself on being different and I’ve built my whole business up to be different and as different as I can be

[00:49:19,723]: And so I just I just feed my own curiosity and I look for people that I believe to be a positive influence on the world and a good role model for kids

[00:49:30,763]: I mean I think the role model thing has gotten it’s just it’s horrible

[00:49:34,963]: I mean who the hell do kids have to look up to now

[00:49:37,223]: That’s right

[00:49:37,503]: You know and so that’s that’s what I look for just good human beings with good values that are pumping some type of good in the world whether that’s fighting evil or spreading the word or whatever you know and going against the grain

[00:49:51,003]: And you know I was I was brought up to always root for the underdog

[00:49:55,703]: And I do that

[00:49:57,103]: It’s the most American impulse you can have

[00:50:00,183]: We were the underdog this country was the underdog

[00:50:02,763]: So yes it was

[00:50:03,903]: You don’t ever want to be the overdog

[00:50:06,043]: No no

[00:50:07,443]: You don’t be part of the machine

[00:50:08,803]: So how have you set your business up to be different

[00:50:11,483]: How have I

[00:50:12,443]: Well I mean so when I got into podcasting I mean I didn’t even know if I wanted to do it

[00:50:19,863]: I just that was only five and a half years ago

[00:50:22,743]: Yeah it was five and a half years ago in my attic

[00:50:26,743]: And and I got tired of teaching tactics and shooting and stuff like that

[00:50:32,783]: And so I tried a bunch of different things

[00:50:34,543]: And and I looked at podcasts as a whole and and

[00:50:40,803]: I saw you know every back then everybody had the purple curtain behind them and all the little stuff in the middle of the table that means nothing to them other than Joe you know he’s got his stuff on the middle of the table

[00:50:53,823]: Now everybody’s got their shit on the middle of the table

[00:50:57,083]: And and so I set it up to be different

[00:51:02,763]: I wanted a relaxed environment

[00:51:04,363]: I didn’t want any equipment in the shots

[00:51:06,363]: I wanted to I mean you’ve been there

[00:51:08,523]: It’s it’s you melt into that room and it’s very disarming

[00:51:12,783]: And there’s a lot of history there from people that share similar values and on display for everybody to see you like it

[00:51:21,683]: That’s what I noticed about your studio

[00:51:23,783]: You made it a space that you’re comfortable in

[00:51:26,803]: And it reflects what you think

[00:51:28,423]: And it reflects the life that you’ve lived and the people that you love

[00:51:31,983]: It’s not it’s the opposite of generic

[00:51:35,723]: Thank you

[00:51:36,903]: Well no it’s really it’s very noticeable

[00:51:39,423]: But but you know and nobody really back then had good camera aesthetics

[00:51:44,463]: And so I saw David Letterman’s my next guest on Netflix

[00:51:49,183]: And I really liked the way it looked

[00:51:51,763]: And with the camera movements and the shots that they had

[00:51:55,443]: And I said I want to make that

[00:51:57,443]: But in my own way and on a on a two thousand dollar budget

[00:52:03,203]: And so I taught myself how to film taught myself how to edit taught my wife how to film taught myself how to run sound

[00:52:10,403]: And and so I wanted an environment that looked really good on camera that that disarmed people

[00:52:16,963]: I noticed especially in where I come from in the SEAL teams very egocentric community

[00:52:25,983]: And nobody can just make the interview about the guests

[00:52:28,763]: They have to make it about themselves and insert their own fucking experiences

[00:52:32,443]: And it’s so I killed bin Laden

[00:52:33,943]: Oh cool

[00:52:34,423]: I killed this person

[00:52:35,523]: And it’s like it’s not about you man

[00:52:37,883]: It’s about them

[00:52:38,943]: And so so I would totally keep my own experiences out of the interview

[00:52:43,903]: And I would compliment people instead of challenging them all the time

[00:52:49,123]: Oh God I’m like wow that’s well like you just made it into Delta

[00:52:51,943]: That’s like the premier special ops

[00:52:56,943]: Group in the entire world I mean how did that feel

[00:52:59,823]: That’s amazing you know and when when you compliment somebody in a in a in a world that is extremely competitive you know it it’s like oh shit like this guy’s different

[00:53:10,243]: Thank you for letting me talk and actually complimenting me on my service

[00:53:14,803]: And then on top of that we started I from episode how to where did that insight come from

[00:53:21,303]: Therapy

[00:53:22,463]: I did a lot of therapy when I was when I quit contracting for first

[00:53:26,503]: Yeah I always think of therapy as making people more self involved

[00:53:30,183]: But that sounds like whoever you had in therapy sounds like was encouraging you to become less about yourself

[00:53:36,183]: Mm hmm

[00:53:37,543]: Mm hmm

[00:53:38,103]: They don’t talk

[00:53:39,963]: They don’t talk

[00:53:41,043]: I mean with with my therapist it was I did all the talking and I would wind up working my own problems out in my head and she would just guide me you know and so I took that model and brought it to my show and it just worked

[00:53:59,843]: But it sounds like you concluded that humility focusing on other people that was the key

[00:54:05,583]: Mm hmm

[00:54:07,003]: I would say you’re exactly right

[00:54:10,123]: I don’t know that that’s an obvious conclusion

[00:54:12,863]: I don’t most people don’t seem to reach that conclusion

[00:54:15,083]: Really

[00:54:16,923]: Judging from I was in the airport I don’t go to the airport very much but I was there yesterday and listening to two people have a air quotes conversation where each one was just waiting for the other one to stop talking before talking at the person

[00:54:29,183]: It was like not one person ever said really how really how interesting

[00:54:34,843]: And I feel like that’s the experience that people have not just watching podcasts but like on you know day to day

[00:54:42,223]: Yeah

[00:54:42,663]: People don’t listen

[00:54:44,443]: Yeah

[00:54:44,763]: I mean you know I guess there is one other thing that I just I’m not I’m not afraid to say that I don’t know what we’re talking about

[00:54:53,803]: And so you get a lot of people you know you get a lot of people they they they fucking trap themselves you know and it’s like I told you about what I know about AI and that’s the extent of it

[00:55:04,683]: If we’re going to go deeper I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about

[00:55:07,183]: So I’m not going to pretend like I know I’m talking about to make it look like I’m the resident expert because the resident experts are going to call you completely full of shit

[00:55:16,283]: You don’t know what you’re talking about

[00:55:17,303]: And so I always get caught like pretending you don’t have prostate cancer like in the end people people find out

[00:55:25,103]: But but I mean it’s OK to not know everything

[00:55:28,623]: Of course

[00:55:29,383]: And and with so many people fall into the trap they’re like oh yeah I have I have shit

[00:55:34,263]: They just ask me a question I’m not an expert on

[00:55:36,243]: I have I have to come up with something

[00:55:37,803]: And I have like no shame and just go yeah I don’t I don’t even know what the fuck that word means that you just said

[00:55:44,483]: Could you please explain that

[00:55:46,923]: And and I think there’s a lot of people like me that that that they don’t understand maybe the vocabulary

[00:55:55,423]: There aren’t a lot of people who will admit it

[00:55:57,003]: Actually there aren’t that many people

[00:55:58,303]: Everybody’s everybody’s a genius

[00:56:00,543]: Everybody’s a tough guy

[00:56:01,963]: It’s playing but playing a role that they know is fake

[00:56:04,703]: Yeah

[00:56:05,863]: It’s sad sad to watch it

[00:56:08,443]: Well it’s it’s a kind of slavery too

[00:56:10,883]: I mean it’s not you’re not free when you’re pretending to be something you’re not

[00:56:13,983]: Yeah

[00:56:14,883]: So you showed me something last night speaking of how you run your business differently than I thought was like the coolest thing I’ve ever seen

[00:56:20,663]: You’re building a new studio

[00:56:22,863]: You totally lost control and just totally lost control I would say for someone who has a studio

[00:56:28,683]: It’s like the craziest thing

[00:56:30,463]: It’s the coolest thing

[00:56:32,063]: Big piece property bass ponch shooting range like beautifully designed

[00:56:38,143]: It’s just super cool

[00:56:40,423]: But at the construction phase on the

[00:56:45,863]: Well you you you explain how you how you built it

[00:56:49,043]: That’s different

[00:56:49,743]: Oh so I mean like I was saying last night I’m really I’m really big on company culture

[00:56:56,483]: And I had mentioned earlier you know my my people that work for me and with me are are like a second family to me

[00:57:03,903]: And I take on their burdens and I help them through life

[00:57:07,263]: And I want to give them the best experience that I can too

[00:57:10,983]: I mean they work their asses off

[00:57:13,283]: Yes

[00:57:14,323]: And and so I want them to be proud of where they work and I want them to enjoy being at work

[00:57:21,203]: And so there’s there’s a wellness center

[00:57:23,883]: There’s everybody

[00:57:24,923]: I mean there’s it’s you got to see a man when it’s done

[00:57:28,803]: It’s it’s all like super top of the line

[00:57:31,863]: Very very nice

[00:57:34,003]: And you know they’ll be able to hunt out there

[00:57:37,283]: They’ll be able to fish out there

[00:57:38,603]: They’ll be able to shoot out there

[00:57:39,823]: They’ll be able to work out out there

[00:57:41,303]: They’ll be able to

[00:57:42,363]: I want them to bring their families in for lunch like I want that environment so that you know one that they’re they’re proud of where they work

[00:57:49,483]: They want to work there

[00:57:50,703]: And they’re the best paid people in the business

[00:57:53,203]: I don’t have a big team but I have a fucking amazing team

[00:57:56,343]: You want them to bring their families for lunch

[00:57:58,503]: Hell yeah man

[00:58:00,003]: That’s the coolest

[00:58:01,003]: Absolutely

[00:58:01,423]: And and if they want to you know and and and you know on top of just

[00:58:11,523]: Giving you know and creating like that environment you know it I mean this is a cutthroat business unfortunately and see people jumping from camp to camp

[00:58:22,383]: I’ve never lost somebody

[00:58:23,983]: You know I’ve never lost somebody that said hey fuck it

[00:58:27,943]: I’m going to Tucker’s

[00:58:29,083]: Hey I’m going to the Daily Wire

[00:58:30,403]: Hey I’m going here

[00:58:31,523]: I’m going there

[00:58:32,483]: They they don’t want to be anywhere

[00:58:34,043]: But you haven’t lost anyone to the Daily Wire

[00:58:35,523]: I haven’t lost anybody to anything

[00:58:41,504]: We get a lot of people from the Daily Wire wanting to work here though

[00:58:47,744]: You put Bibles under the foundation

[00:58:51,044]: Yeah

[00:58:51,424]: Yeah we put

[00:58:53,944]: So yeah on top of that my whole team is really into Scripture and we’re all very like minded

[00:59:01,724]: And you know I’d mentioned before I feel like I’m just a conduit

[00:59:06,344]: And so I live a lot of my life in paranoia at times and so he is the only protection

[00:59:15,444]: So yeah we put a Bible in every corner of the foundation

[00:59:20,344]: We wrote Scripture on every single exterior stud in that building for protection

[00:59:30,664]: I saw Jeremy your producer had a picture he showed me last night of it’s a shot down the wall and the studs are still visible and each one has a

[00:59:41,204]: I read three from Ephesians but like long quotes from the New Testament

[00:59:46,584]: Yeah everybody on the team had a part in that

[00:59:49,584]: Who thought of that

[00:59:51,724]: Me

[00:59:53,044]: Why

[00:59:54,164]: I went to a party once and the people at the party who hosted the party showed me their house and told me that they had done that and I was like that they had written Scripture on every stud and I was like oh man that is awesome

[01:00:11,164]: I’m doing that

[01:00:12,224]: I’m doing it too

[01:00:13,264]: Everything that we build from now on we’ll have that

[01:00:17,464]: That is the coolest

[01:00:19,964]: So you say you feel like a conduit

[01:00:24,364]: How do you receive instructions

[01:00:27,024]: Gut

[01:00:28,104]: I think God speaks to you through gut and I think the signs are always there but a lot of us are too busy and wrapped up in our own shit to see them

[01:00:40,924]: And so for example like the George Eskio interview was

[01:00:45,404]: I was nervous about that one because I dug into it and I was like if this guy is a Russian asset I don’t know if this is a good idea I don’t want to be on the wrong team here I don’t want to fall victim to propagandizing my show not even realizing it

[01:01:09,104]: And the whole journey there I was worried about it

[01:01:14,384]: And without going into it I mean my journey to Christ was through signs that slapped me right in the face and 444 is a big number to me

[01:01:24,124]: And I 444

[01:01:25,624]: 444 is a huge number to me

[01:01:28,384]: And

[01:01:28,924]: Why

[01:01:30,364]: Well so I had this experience in Sedona where I came to Christ and three things happened to me all within very profound things in about 15 minutes the last day I was there

[01:01:49,444]: And when I got home I had called somewhat of a spiritual mentor to me his name’s Eddie Penny and he had started talking about it

[01:01:59,564]: I called him at midnight when I got back and I was like hey this happened to me I don’t know what this means but I think I need to lean into Jesus a little bit here and that’s not something I’ve done in probably the past 20 years

[01:02:15,264]: And so he started going on about this stuff with demonic attacks now that I’ve shown a side and he goes man a lot of people have been praying for this to happen

[01:02:26,764]: And I’m like well what do you mean like what why who is

[01:02:34,044]: What the hell is happening

[01:02:35,464]: And then he started talking about guardian angels and all this other stuff

[01:02:40,544]: And I had a meeting scheduled at noon with my IT guy who is a devout Catholic

[01:02:49,404]: And I call him up and I think we’re gonna be talking about I don’t know website stuff and IT crap and he has the exact same conversation with me not even knowing that I’d had this experience yet

[01:03:02,904]: Doesn’t know Eddie I mean he is a IT guy and Eddie is a former development group guy

[01:03:10,004]: There’s no connection

[01:03:11,764]: Has the exact same conversation starts talking about

[01:03:14,204]: For those who

[01:03:14,724]: Can you just define a former what group guy

[01:03:17,224]: Team Six

[01:03:19,004]: Yeah

[01:03:20,824]: And ever since I had Eddie on and he shared his testimony it was my

[01:03:25,184]: I release an episode every Christmas

[01:03:26,804]: That’s when I kicked the show off was Christmas

[01:03:28,964]: And I was like man this testimony is like so awesome

[01:03:31,724]: I think this should be the Christmas episode

[01:03:34,524]: So every single person that came on the show for probably the next year and a half at least had brought up God or the Bible or Christ

[01:03:46,644]: And it was like a turning point in my podcast that just

[01:03:52,624]: And I didn’t push Christianity on people

[01:03:57,004]: It would just organically come up in the conversation

[01:04:02,064]: And so I always thought like maybe God’s like working through my show or something

[01:04:06,364]: I don’t know

[01:04:07,944]: But anyway so after all this stuff happened in Sedona which was mind blowing to me I have this conversation with Adam

[01:04:17,144]: And

[01:04:17,364]: You’re IT guy

[01:04:18,204]: Yes

[01:04:18,924]: And he’s talking about guardian angels

[01:04:21,044]: And I go home for a late lunch that day with my wife and kids

[01:04:27,684]: And I’m driving back to the studio and I look at the clock and it’s 444

[01:04:33,544]: I look at the gas thing and it says 444 miles left to empty and it’s four hours and 44 minutes after my conversation with my IT guy

[01:04:46,964]: So I’m driving and I call up my social media manager

[01:04:51,244]: I’m like hey look up 444

[01:04:53,684]: I want to know what it means

[01:04:55,024]: Something just happened

[01:04:56,804]: And get this shit

[01:04:58,324]: I love how open you are to this

[01:04:59,984]: He looks it up

[01:05:01,324]: And do you know what it is

[01:05:02,404]: No

[01:05:03,004]: It means your guardian angels want to know that they’re watching over you

[01:05:10,584]: Right after we just had a discussion four hours and 44 minutes prior about guardian angels

[01:05:19,004]: That’s wild

[01:05:19,884]: And so then I was like okay like that’s a sign

[01:05:25,424]: And because I told you to I live in them

[01:05:27,564]: At that time I had released the Brian Montgomery interview about sex trafficking which is a whole nother debacle that the FBI started getting involved in

[01:05:36,024]: And I had interviewed Tyler Andrew Vargas which was the young Marine who survived the Abigail bombing

[01:05:44,344]: He lost his leg and his arm and nobody would talk to him because it made the Biden administration look so bad

[01:05:53,184]: We were fighting YouTube about it

[01:05:56,144]: And he had all this real footage from his camera about the guy that blew up the gate that they should have killed

[01:06:02,624]: And anyways told me that Good Morning America had interviewed him for seven hours and only released five seconds of the interview

[01:06:11,964]: Here’s another God thing man

[01:06:14,144]: So having breakfast my team really wanted to get Tyler on and I was like every media outlet in the world is probably trying to talk to this guy right now because he’s the only living eyewitness

[01:06:27,084]: And I’m like we’re never going to get him

[01:06:29,244]: I probably wind up on Tucker or Rogan or you know and I was like fine I’ll shoot him a message on Instagram

[01:06:36,724]: So I shoot him a message immediately

[01:06:39,464]: He’s like yep I’m in

[01:06:41,224]: Let’s do it

[01:06:42,184]: I had breakfast with him before the interview and at breakfast he’s sitting there with his fiance and he goes man he started tearing up and he goes man I have interviewed with so many mainstream media outlets and they’re all full of shit and nobody will tell the truth and nobody will release like what I tell them

[01:07:07,684]: Congress didn’t pay attention when I testified in front of him

[01:07:10,584]: And he goes I literally looked at my fiance and he was like man I just wish the Sean Ryan guy would just reach out

[01:07:16,824]: And he goes I pulled my phone up and you had just messaged me

[01:07:22,024]: It was the first thing I saw

[01:07:23,724]: And he goes there it was

[01:07:25,504]: It was like God answered me right there in that moment

[01:07:30,824]: And I was like holy shit that’s not a coincidence

[01:07:35,404]: There are no coincidences

[01:07:36,864]: I don’t believe in coincidences anymore

[01:07:39,744]: So I get these signs all the time where if I feel like I should be if I’m questioning something he’ll throw out a sign

[01:07:49,164]: And like the George Eskio interview me and Jeremy are sitting at the airport and I’m calling him like I don’t know about this

[01:07:57,174]: It’s the first time I had ever brought somebody to do an overwatch for me because I was nervous

[01:08:03,534]: You know I was like oh I don’t know if we should be doing this

[01:08:07,014]: We’re fucking with NATO

[01:08:09,074]: We should probably bring a security guy

[01:08:11,054]: NATO they’re just peacekeepers

[01:08:13,994]: Right

[01:08:14,914]: That’s why they’re building the Come on relax relax Sean

[01:08:19,114]: They’re on our side

[01:08:19,454]: NATO base in Europe

[01:08:21,114]: And The training army

[01:08:23,114]: But anyways I had sometimes I just tweet out something that pops in my head right

[01:08:29,934]: So I tweeted out the truth is like a lion

[01:08:32,574]: You don’t have to defend it

[01:08:34,594]: Set it free and it’ll defend itself

[01:08:36,414]: And I tweeted that out

[01:08:38,014]: I like that

[01:08:38,614]: And I had this debacle going on in my head like should I be doing this

[01:08:42,454]: Like am I doing this for the right reason

[01:08:44,574]: Is this guy does he need to be heard

[01:08:47,254]: Or is he just some type of a Russian shill

[01:08:50,694]: Walk out of the lounge this is all I don’t know five minutes and this woman comes around the corner and she has this huge lion head on her shirt like this big sequence glittery lion head

[01:09:07,834]: And that’s what was in my head and what I had just tweeted out

[01:09:13,254]: And to me I mean probably everybody will call me crazy but to me I’m like that’s the sign that I needed to see

[01:09:20,634]: Like I just articulated this and you don’t see too many people running around the airport with a big lion head on their shirt like a massive lion head

[01:09:31,614]: My reaction is not that you’re crazy

[01:09:33,294]: My reaction is I need to get off my phone sufficient to see signs that are all around me

[01:09:39,454]: They’re everywhere

[01:09:40,234]: Because I agree with you completely

[01:09:41,114]: And I feel like the phone is an instrument of distraction and evil really though I couldn’t live without it

[01:09:48,594]: I need it for my job

[01:09:49,494]: It allows me to live where I want and talk to my wife and children and all that

[01:09:53,454]: There are upsides

[01:09:54,754]: But in general I feel like I miss everything

[01:09:57,094]: If a sign happened it would really have to come by text message or I wouldn’t see it

[01:10:02,794]: Well I hope you do that

[01:10:05,254]: But yeah I’ve been thinking about it a lot

[01:10:06,794]: Are you self consciously not on your phone sometimes

[01:10:11,434]: Yeah

[01:10:12,854]: What’s your phone regimen

[01:10:15,494]: 6 p m

[01:10:16,354]: It goes on airplane mode

[01:10:18,454]: 6 p m

[01:10:19,034]: Yep

[01:10:20,654]: You’re not on your phone after 6 p m

[01:10:22,434]: Other than if somebody on my team texts me and they would text for an emergency

[01:10:31,394]: It’s not airplane mode

[01:10:32,914]: It’s like I don’t know whatever

[01:10:35,374]: Like this whatever

[01:10:36,494]: I don’t know what it is either but it screens out

[01:10:38,254]: Nothing comes to me

[01:10:39,274]: So except my assistant Jeremy and family

[01:10:45,354]: And so I don’t mess around on the phone

[01:10:48,234]: After 6 p m

[01:10:49,294]: 6 p m man

[01:10:51,034]: It’s like 1985 life

[01:10:54,074]: I mean you know sometimes yeah there are you know sometimes it happens

[01:10:59,674]: You know if I’m working late or something

[01:11:01,394]: And I’m always working

[01:11:03,994]: But I mean I don’t like I don’t mess around on social media

[01:11:09,774]: Or you know half the texts I get are just people asking for favors anyways

[01:11:14,974]: Only half

[01:11:16,114]: Probably more

[01:11:18,094]: Yeah more

[01:11:21,214]: All my friends I haven’t talked to in

[01:11:25,394]: Five and a half years is a very short period of time to become as successful as you have

[01:11:30,634]: Thank you

[01:11:31,714]: Well I’m not complimenting you

[01:11:34,254]: I’m saying I’m surprised you’re not crazier

[01:11:35,994]: Because that’s a big change

[01:11:37,414]: That’s a big big change

[01:11:38,654]: Yeah

[01:11:39,034]: In a short period of time

[01:11:41,354]: Don’t you think

[01:11:42,434]: Well I think

[01:11:42,774]: Yeah it’s been a huge change

[01:11:47,134]: But you know I mean it’s just we’re all just humans

[01:11:54,954]: And some people have a

[01:11:56,814]: I mean like I said man I just don’t take myself too seriously

[01:12:00,854]: And none of this shit really gets to me

[01:12:03,914]: It could all be taken away at a moment’s notice and I’m ready to give it back

[01:12:09,574]: And I’m just all I’m doing is trying to do good you know

[01:12:14,374]: And so when I meet people like you or some of the other people that have been on the show I mean there is an aspect like I can’t believe I’m having fucking dinner with Tucker right now

[01:12:28,134]: This is so weird

[01:12:29,134]: Like people would kill to do this

[01:12:31,734]: But in the end I mean you’re just like me man

[01:12:35,774]: You eat sleep shit

[01:12:37,434]: That’s it

[01:12:38,594]: And I take that approach with everybody I meet

[01:12:42,254]: There’s nothing

[01:12:43,294]: Sorry Tucker

[01:12:43,934]: I love you

[01:12:44,834]: But

[01:12:45,034]: No trust me

[01:12:46,074]: You couldn’t be

[01:12:48,214]: Yeah

[01:12:48,614]: I’ve always thought it’s very easy to get perspective on your life if you can see yourself kind of clearly

[01:12:57,114]: It’s very hard to mistake yourself for Jesus if you’re like honest

[01:13:01,054]: Do you know what I mean

[01:13:01,974]: Yes

[01:13:02,474]: And I really look down on people who have delusions

[01:13:05,294]: We’re just people man

[01:13:06,374]: Oh that’s for sure

[01:13:07,554]: It’s sad to watch power get to people’s heads

[01:13:10,634]: It’s really a shame

[01:13:12,534]: So what steps do you take to keep yourself pure of heart

[01:13:19,394]: I notice you haven’t been in D C like every week

[01:13:23,674]: I hate D C That’s where all the power is

[01:13:28,834]: Well I’m not interested in power

[01:13:30,754]: Don’t you want to rush toward it like a bug light

[01:13:32,614]: No

[01:13:34,114]: I’ve been asked to run for something but I just have no interest in it

[01:13:41,034]: What are your goals at this point

[01:13:45,134]: My goals are to whenever I exit this I want my family to be set for generations

[01:13:56,174]: I want my team to be set for generations

[01:13:58,334]: I want to continue to help them and I just want to show that there’s a lot of us out there that think on the same page regardless of what the media says

[01:14:13,894]: And I think I am a this sounds weird talking about myself like this but I think I am for whatever reason I think I am just the average uneducated no college degree guy in the country that can talk to people

[01:14:34,034]: Wait you don’t have a college degree

[01:14:35,434]: No

[01:14:36,074]: Oh I wish I’d known that before I set up this interview

[01:14:39,554]: But I’m just an average guy that has a hard time understanding stuff and I don’t let my ego get in the way

[01:14:51,554]: I don’t pretend like I know shit that I don’t know and if I don’t understand then I fucking ask questions

[01:14:56,834]: And it helps everybody that watches my show understand something because it’s dumbed down to a level that the majority of America can digest and comprehend

[01:15:08,814]: You listen carefully

[01:15:11,354]: Having gone on your show I think that’s the key

[01:15:13,734]: You listen very carefully

[01:15:15,454]: Most people do not do that

[01:15:17,034]: So you don’t go to D C because you think it’s disgusting you think power corrupts it doesn’t just enhance

[01:15:26,194]: Yeah definitely

[01:15:27,194]: I mean you know it’s also like

[01:15:34,894]: None of these people would be talking to me if I didn’t have a show

[01:15:41,374]: So it’s like

[01:15:44,074]: I don’t know man

[01:15:45,254]: I just

[01:15:46,174]: I don’t like it

[01:15:47,534]: I was amazed to find out I don’t know if it’s public but you came very close to booking Kamala Harris

[01:15:54,614]: How’d that come about

[01:15:57,394]: Well I mean I

[01:15:59,374]: Who was the first candidate

[01:16:00,374]: I think it was either DeSantis

[01:16:03,754]: I think DeSantis wasn’t in studio and it’s the only Zoom interview I’ve ever done

[01:16:09,954]: What did you think of him

[01:16:12,654]: I mean as far as like a person I didn’t

[01:16:15,594]: It was very

[01:16:17,494]: It was like 15 minutes man so I don’t have a gauge

[01:16:20,814]: I like a lot of the stuff that he’s done down in Florida pretty much all of it

[01:16:26,254]: And

[01:16:26,694]: But

[01:16:26,734]: That I know of

[01:16:28,494]: I don’t know everything but

[01:16:30,974]: But I had said at the beginning I’ll interview any presidential candidate

[01:16:35,534]: I don’t care what side they’re on

[01:16:37,794]: I’m not going to blast you

[01:16:39,394]: But I think it’s important that people know who that person is whether we talk about politics or not

[01:16:44,474]: Like with RFK we talked about his heroin addiction and all that kind of stuff

[01:16:47,914]: And it gives you a little more background on how they grew up what their values are as a person not just some soundbite bullshit that’s fed to them

[01:17:00,934]: And so I wanted to interview people on the other side of the fence too

[01:17:08,134]: And I really wanted Kamala to come on

[01:17:13,754]: I think it’s Kamala

[01:17:16,494]: I think that’s racist

[01:17:18,094]: It’s irrelevant at this point

[01:17:18,634]: As he gets racist you just call it Kamala

[01:17:23,474]: But

[01:17:24,114]: So we got in touch with her camp

[01:17:27,734]: We didn’t hear anything

[01:17:28,954]: We did a couple of press releases to maybe pressure her into it a little bit

[01:17:38,554]: And she took it seriously and she watched

[01:17:42,514]: I was told she watched

[01:17:44,534]: She spent a night going through particular interviews and liked the way that I interviewed and liked my style and she wanted to do it

[01:17:52,894]: And they asked you know what do I want to talk about

[01:17:55,774]: And I said well I think we should definitely talk about the Afghan withdrawal and the Taliban funding

[01:18:00,654]: I pretty much initiated that entire conversation that developed into what it is

[01:18:07,174]: And me and my guests and they didn’t want to talk about that

[01:18:13,354]: I said well it’s going to look bad on me if I don’t talk about that because I’ve been hammering this damn thing for a year now

[01:18:21,234]: Over a year I think

[01:18:23,554]: But I was like all right well what do you want to talk about

[01:18:26,254]: Do you want to talk about national security

[01:18:28,714]: They’re like what do you think you disagree on her the most on

[01:18:31,654]: Told them

[01:18:33,154]: What was it

[01:18:37,394]: The gender stuff with kids

[01:18:40,676]: That was my biggest thing you know and I don’t really care about adults you know that do it but you can’t give a kid the keys to do that you know at that age

[01:18:52,376]: And eight years old I mean eight years old was it Washington that’s like the state’ll come in and take your kid from you if you don’t do it if they want to

[01:19:03,396]: I mean what is why even have parents at that point

[01:19:07,156]: I’m sure they don’t want us to have parents

[01:19:08,436]: Well exactly

[01:19:10,656]: But anyways I said that and and you know they were like it got to the point where I just said look I don’t even care

[01:19:20,236]: I was like how about you just give me the outline and we’ll do it that way

[01:19:25,336]: I don’t care

[01:19:26,396]: Like I know how to do an interview and I’ll make it work and I’ll find my my groove and whatever you give me

[01:19:37,036]: I’m confident in my abilities and and they were going to do it

[01:19:41,496]: And then and then the Brett Baer interview came out with her and it just fell off the We just quit talking to us

[01:19:52,076]: So I don’t know you know

[01:19:53,756]: Is Brett asked her like a single question and she didn’t feel like answering

[01:19:56,376]: I don’t know

[01:19:57,676]: I mean I don’t know what it was

[01:19:59,256]: How do you think it would have gone

[01:20:01,476]: I think it would have gone

[01:20:05,376]: I think it would have gone no matter what they handed me for the outline or or if I created my own outline that the questions would have been blaming Trump for everything

[01:20:19,356]: Even if it has even if it was nothing to do with the question I think it would have just been Trump did this Trump did that

[01:20:28,296]: What about Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump

[01:20:30,436]: You know and and I don’t think I would have gotten any of her views or solutions or initiatives or anything

[01:20:38,156]: I think it would all been just flipped around and pointed back at Trump

[01:20:42,176]: Do you think it’s possible there would have been like a spark of warmth between the two of you

[01:20:46,656]: Yeah I do

[01:20:48,596]: Really

[01:20:49,576]: Yeah

[01:20:49,996]: Because I mean I no matter who it is I’m going to treat the guests with respect and and I think that’s I just you know in you know on top of that I mean do I like her

[01:21:02,216]: Do I agree with anything that she did

[01:21:04,936]: No

[01:21:06,016]: But I also know that there’s an aspect of media that I’m probably not getting the full picture and so I want to hear them out

[01:21:18,056]: Good for you

[01:21:20,156]: But it was never going to be like a gotcha or a combative interview you know I wouldn’t have done that

[01:21:25,616]: I’ve never done that

[01:21:26,476]: I’ll challenge people on stuff but I’m not going to get into some type of a bickering contest and you know why

[01:21:34,756]: Because I just I’m that’s just not who I am

[01:21:38,756]: You had a pretty ferocious job before

[01:21:42,776]: We had enough of that

[01:21:45,276]: Yeah

[01:21:47,896]: Interesting

[01:21:48,796]: Yeah

[01:21:49,756]: Is there anyone you wouldn’t interview

[01:21:55,076]: Yeah there’s people I wouldn’t interview

[01:21:57,096]: I don’t interview people that I mean I kind of said it earlier you know I don’t interview people that are on the circuit

[01:22:04,756]: I don’t really give a shit about your new book that’s coming out

[01:22:07,716]: I don’t care

[01:22:09,436]: There’s plenty of other podcasts that can do that

[01:22:11,696]: I just you know what I look for other than that because that’s different

[01:22:15,896]: Those aren’t my values that we obviously differ on probably just about everything but I just I just look for good people that are doing something in the world that aren’t getting recognition or aren’t getting traction and I think would be a good role model

[01:22:36,356]: And that’s that’s who I bring on the show

[01:22:38,456]: And that’s that’s one of the things I’m good at is being able to take somebody who nobody’s ever heard of ever and people tune in

[01:22:49,156]: People will tune in because it’s fresh material

[01:22:51,996]: It’s good people doing good things and they finally get the exposure that they needed to actually get some type of traction

[01:23:02,376]: You interviewed Trump for hours I think

[01:23:05,016]: How long was that interview

[01:23:05,676]: Well one hour

[01:23:06,716]: One hour

[01:23:06,936]: Yeah

[01:23:07,236]: A little over one

[01:23:07,916]: He was like I don’t know 70 minutes or something

[01:23:10,716]: What’d you think of him

[01:23:12,036]: I really liked him

[01:23:14,656]: I really liked I wasn’t expecting him to be as personal as he was you know and he met everybody on my team and made it a point to it wasn’t like shaking somebody’s hand and talking to his assistant or or you know it was direct eye contact wanted to meet the entire team

[01:23:33,196]: There was three NFL stars in there that came in to meet him

[01:23:38,276]: And as soon as I walked in the room he like didn’t care about him came right over introduced himself

[01:23:45,676]: I mean he was very personable

[01:23:47,456]: And then after the interview sat down in a room and talked with us and it was really I was happy and I was more happy that he treated my team with respect

[01:23:59,096]: And cause you know you see a lot of people that are like oh you’re just the fucking help

[01:24:02,636]: And it’s like no that’s like who makes the whole thing

[01:24:06,356]: So you know and and so I really appreciated that you know it was you never really know what you’re going to get with with

[01:24:16,976]: How do you think the administration’s going so far

[01:24:27,576]: How about this

[01:24:28,396]: I think there’s some really look

[01:24:30,116]: What do you like

[01:24:30,756]: What don’t you like

[01:24:31,556]: I liked that they got rid of the DEI stuff

[01:24:33,716]: Yeah

[01:24:34,056]: I think that was low hanging fruit

[01:24:36,756]: I think that you know they fixed it really quick

[01:24:39,336]: I don’t think we need to harp on it anymore and let’s move on

[01:24:43,496]: And and you know I just interviewed Tom Holman what he’s done with the border seems really impressive to me

[01:24:51,336]: So I’m really happy about those things

[01:24:53,716]: I’m not happy that the Epstein files have not come to fruition yet

[01:24:59,896]: I’m sure they’re coming out any day now

[01:25:01,476]: Wouldn’t you think

[01:25:02,076]: Yeah

[01:25:03,476]: Yeah

[01:25:04,496]: I won’t hold my breath but but I think that I think we still need a lot of work a lot of work and I am losing hope

[01:25:26,336]: Why

[01:25:27,656]: What specifically makes you feel hopeless

[01:25:32,476]: Oh man I mean who’s controlling our country and the influences and why haven’t we seen these things

[01:25:43,356]: And it makes me skeptical you know and I don’t hear you know some of this is I may just not know you know cause I don’t like I mentioned I don’t pretend to know everything that’s going on and I don’t put the time in that I would need to to to figure it all out

[01:26:04,516]: But you know there’s things like the energy grid and it’s like man like we really need to fucking do something with our grid like yesterday

[01:26:14,836]: And but is that more important than bombing Iran

[01:26:22,616]: Yeah yeah it is

[01:26:28,196]: And yeah you know that that stuff you know I get I mean I don’t know I want to know like what the real motivations are and and I love everything he says and the majority of everything that he says but I you know I’d like to see the Ukraine Russia thing finally come to an end

[01:26:52,196]: And I like what they’ve done with Doge

[01:26:54,636]: I think that maybe they maybe they’ve cut a little bit more than they need to but you know there’s always human error with everything but you know and look I’m just fuck it

[01:27:07,536]: I’m just I’m going to get blasted for this but you know I mean I see all these negotiations going on in the Middle East and then I don’t know when these buildings were approved or when these deals got done

[01:27:17,836]: But then I also see like oh there’s a brand new hotel going up in Dubai or Abu Dhabi and another one going up in in Doha I think

[01:27:27,856]: And I’m like did these like just get done also with the deals that just happened over there or was this earlier

[01:27:34,696]: I don’t you would probably know

[01:27:37,136]: No I don’t know

[01:27:38,416]: You don’t

[01:27:39,316]: I’ve not made 1 in the Middle East not one

[01:27:41,356]: Well I mean I mean you’re a lot more on the inside than I am

[01:27:47,256]: No no no

[01:27:47,616]: I’m just a I’m just a visitor and a traveler and a watcher but I don’t you know there’s a

[01:27:52,876]: That stuff kind of worries me

[01:27:54,236]: You know it’s it’s

[01:27:55,036]: Well it seems like corruption yeah

[01:27:58,116]: But but and but you know what you know what like bothers me more than any of this shit is that people have just lost the ability to critical think and and if you do say something about the tariffs or is it Greenland or Iceland I can’t even remember or whatever

[01:28:17,936]: The big one

[01:28:18,656]: Yeah

[01:28:18,896]: If you do if you throw any criticism towards any and not just not just Trump but any anybody that is in a position of power I mean the U S has just become so tribal now and it’s it’s you cannot criticize or or or give any constructive criticism to what’s happening without getting blasted and sad

[01:28:45,016]: It’s like man like you guys have a hundred percent lost all critical thinking skills

[01:28:51,196]: Like you’re not fucking thinking on your own and you are given the values that you align with

[01:28:58,296]: You’re no longer going off the way you were raised or what’s true to you as a person

[01:29:04,276]: I think a lot of people don’t even fucking know what that is anymore

[01:29:08,436]: And they’re just told they’re told they align with the tribe whatever that tribe says they’re going to do they’re going to say they’re going to follow

[01:29:17,776]: And that’s sad

[01:29:19,136]: And I think that that could resemble the beginning of the end

[01:29:25,136]: I agree with every word and I can’t help but note because I was there for it at the beginning of the internet we were told that all of this information would make us better informed and would increase our critical thinking abilities and that people wouldn’t have to follow the propaganda because they would have all the information

[01:29:46,266]: And the opposite has turned out to be true

[01:29:48,316]: People seem much easier to control than ever before

[01:29:51,816]: Yeah

[01:29:52,356]: And that makes me sad

[01:29:54,976]: So back to the heaviest thing I think you’ve said which is that you don’t believe that anything’s real

[01:30:01,856]: And again I think most people can understand where you’re coming from when you say that

[01:30:05,236]: One of the effects of that is to make everyone like really really paranoid

[01:30:09,896]: When it turns out that you know most of the things derided as conspiracy theories are real like clearly the explanation for 9 11 is silly clearly you know and we’re And so I think a reasonable person concludes like man there’s a lot going on

[01:30:28,636]: I don’t get

[01:30:29,376]: There’s a lot of secret stuff

[01:30:30,456]: There are a lot of actual conspiracies

[01:30:32,016]: It’s everything though

[01:30:33,336]: Like I gave you know I’m not I take a minute to process

[01:30:37,256]: And so when you’re talking about oh you know what what’s fake and I brought up like COVID and something else that everybody already knows right

[01:30:45,816]: But or at least most people already know

[01:30:47,956]: But I mean when you look at the elections you know in not just the U S you know but let’s look elsewhere

[01:30:53,596]: Let’s look at Romania and what happened there

[01:30:55,376]: And they just they just yanked this guy just yep

[01:30:58,536]: You’re done

[01:30:59,256]: Marie Le Pen

[01:31:00,336]: I mean we were close to interviewing her and in fact I think we were in Paris at the same time but we were

[01:31:07,676]: And and when you see that it’s just like holy shit like this is spreading or maybe it’s not spreading

[01:31:15,856]: Maybe it’s just always been like this

[01:31:17,376]: I don’t know

[01:31:18,336]: But you know so obviously those were all obviously those elections are phony you know and the EU is getting involved and France is getting involved and Romania is getting involved

[01:31:28,996]: And it’s like holy shit man like everything seems to be engineered

[01:31:34,356]: The guy in Bolsonaro in Brazil another example you know and it’s it’s it’s the ministry of truth

[01:31:44,296]: I don’t even know if that’s still a thing but it’s like the what the ministry the ministry of truth

[01:31:49,896]: Are you fucking kidding me

[01:31:51,456]: The 2020 election

[01:31:52,856]: I mean I was kind of skeptical

[01:31:54,416]: I was there right in the middle of it

[01:31:55,556]: And I thought well you know if there’s evidence it was stolen I’ll I’ll believe it of course but I don’t see any evidence or enough evidence to say that conclusively

[01:32:03,596]: And then the last five years traveling around seeing other elections watching our country more carefully

[01:32:08,736]: It’s like that was totally fake

[01:32:11,276]: I can say that I think with confidence now but but here’s my point

[01:32:18,096]: You who I do think are one of the rare people just like committed to saying what you think is true committed to remaining independent right or wrong like you don’t want to be influenced

[01:32:27,636]: You want to reach your own conclusions and you want to be awake enough to see signs from God and I admire all of that

[01:32:34,936]: But now you are supposedly part of the conspiracy

[01:32:41,156]: Because you were a CIA contractor

[01:32:44,576]: So like what does that mean to be a CIA contractor

[01:32:47,856]: How did you get that gig

[01:32:48,916]: What did it entail

[01:32:50,376]: Are you still in touch with headquarters trying to subvert democracy

[01:32:56,516]: I wasn’t involved in any of those operations

[01:32:58,996]: No I mean look I’m in the road

[01:33:01,876]: I left the SEAL teams to start business and failed miserably

[01:33:05,876]: What kind of business

[01:33:06,636]: I wanted to do funny

[01:33:08,636]: I actually read Donald Trump’s book in Guantanamo Bay when we were doing some stuff in Haiti back in 2004

[01:33:16,336]: And it was his book How to Get Rich

[01:33:20,876]: You read Donald Trump’s book in Guantanamo Bay

[01:33:23,976]: Yeah in 2004

[01:33:26,236]: And I think no it was whatever somewhere around there

[01:33:31,876]: And I read that book and I had I mean I was on like a mini deployment

[01:33:35,996]: We were in Panama doing some stuff with the Panamanian special ops guys

[01:33:40,176]: Then the Haiti thing popped off back when we yanked Aristide out of there

[01:33:47,176]: And then we were going on the real deployment

[01:33:49,756]: And so before I even really deployed in the SEAL teams I decided this isn’t all it’s cracked up to be at least for me

[01:34:01,136]: And so I’m just going to do my time here

[01:34:03,636]: What was disappointing about it

[01:34:07,036]: There wasn’t enough combat

[01:34:11,796]: Really

[01:34:13,096]: You wind up on a SEAL team in the middle of two wars and there wasn’t enough combat for you

[01:34:17,936]: Yeah

[01:34:20,456]: Okay

[01:34:21,756]: Yeah

[01:34:22,696]: I didn’t see in there as much as a lot of guys

[01:34:25,396]: I saw a decent amount but I went in to do that job and wanted to do it all the time

[01:34:39,356]: And I was not doing it all the time

[01:34:43,136]: And so I left

[01:34:47,236]: You’ve quit a metabolism

[01:34:50,036]: But you wind up on the SEAL teams and you’re like kind of bored

[01:34:57,296]: But it just wasn’t what I thought it was going to be

[01:35:02,236]: And then I had an opportunity to screen not saying I would have made it not saying I wouldn’t have

[01:35:09,476]: But everybody I don’t mean I had the everybody gets the opportunity to screen for six for team six if they want it

[01:35:19,836]: And I just I was like well that’s you know that’s the next level but it’s another five year commitment if I do it

[01:35:29,356]: And what if it’s the same shit that I have here with just a bigger budget with more cool toys

[01:35:35,156]: And so I decided to I decided no I’m going to get out and be the next Donald Trump and a businessman

[01:35:47,756]: And got out started a small real estate thing failed horribly

[01:35:53,176]: Where was it

[01:35:53,916]: St

[01:35:54,236]: Louis Missouri

[01:35:56,036]: You went to do real estate in St

[01:35:57,556]: Louis

[01:35:57,856]: Well my family’s from there so

[01:35:59,856]: What South Florida wasn’t available at the time or something

[01:36:02,516]: No

[01:36:03,036]: I just went home and

[01:36:06,616]: Just in time for Ferguson

[01:36:07,896]: Yeah it was too

[01:36:10,016]: I actually got a great picture of me with Ferguson with the Molotov cocktail but we joke after it happened

[01:36:20,176]: But anyways and so then my dad and I were going to actually start a Jimmy John’s franchise and I didn’t grow up with money and we needed some

[01:36:35,376]: So I said hey I said I would never do this but overseas contracting is a big thing and it’s paying pretty good

[01:36:42,996]: So how about if I just do that

[01:36:45,156]: I’ll get the money that we need to start it and then I’ll quit and we’ll start that venture

[01:36:49,276]: You went overseas as a contractor to pay for a Jimmy John’s franchise

[01:36:52,216]: Yeah

[01:36:53,596]: Yeah

[01:36:54,316]: Amazing

[01:36:55,016]: Yeah

[01:36:55,736]: And then 2008 hit

[01:36:57,536]: Do you know Jimmy John by the way

[01:36:59,716]: I met him recently

[01:37:02,716]: Great guy

[01:37:03,556]: I love talking to him

[01:37:04,756]: Good dude

[01:37:05,316]: Yes

[01:37:05,796]: At the out party I think you met him actually

[01:37:07,696]: Yeah

[01:37:08,336]: Yeah

[01:37:08,816]: Yeah

[01:37:09,456]: And we found out a couple of times

[01:37:11,516]: I really liked that guy

[01:37:12,916]: Did you tell him that you went you became a military contractor so you could pay for one of his franchises

[01:37:19,216]: Yeah

[01:37:21,936]: But but that didn’t happen

[01:37:24,316]: And where did you go

[01:37:26,276]: What do you mean

[01:37:27,636]: When you first left to do overseas contracts

[01:37:30,256]: So when I first went I did a cause I didn’t I didn’t understand exactly how contract contractors I didn’t know the game

[01:37:39,856]: Yeah

[01:37:40,176]: And so there are different tiers of contracting and they have they take your background and there’s all these different you know there’s the DEA contract there’s the ATF contract or not ATF excuse me

[01:37:56,016]: There’s the agency the NSA the state department all there’s just all there’s all kinds of contracts that you can jump on

[01:38:06,656]: And I had no idea what I was doing

[01:38:08,996]: I thought it was all like one tiered system

[01:38:11,556]: And yeah

[01:38:13,220]: So I threw my name in this kind of recruiting thing and they came back there was a company called Armor Group out of UK and they picked me up first

[01:38:23,320]: And I was like all right well whatever this seems pretty low level but they wanted to make me like a guy in charge because of my background and I was like all right fine I’ll go do this

[01:38:34,640]: So I went and did the tryout it was a complete joke

[01:38:38,140]: And then got to Afghanistan and they put me at the front gate of the embassy and I was like I lasted about a week and I was like hey give me a flight home I’m out of here this is fucking bullshit like I’m not gonna be You thought you were boarding the SEALs

[01:38:54,840]: Yeah and well I mean then that’s where all the V Bids go off to the car bombs so I was like no I’m not doing this

[01:39:01,820]: And went home and got into a fire academy didn’t like it and then a friend called A fire you mean to be a fireman

[01:39:15,280]: Yeah to be a firefighter because I really miss the camaraderie

[01:39:20,160]: And then a friend of mine that I served in Afghanistan with called me up and said hey there’s a contract that Blackwater has and I think you should try out for it and I was like no I’m not doing it I just did a quick pump I hated it I was with a bunch of guys that don’t know what the hell they’re doing some of these people were like Bank of America security guards I was like this is crazy

[01:39:45,560]: And he goes no he’s like hey he’s like everybody on this contract has to be from Special Ops it’s a black contract I can’t tell you who it’s for but just give me your resume and I’m gonna try to get you in

[01:40:00,440]: And so I was like all right fine gave it to him and then got a call from Blackwater and just told me where to be and what to bring and it would be What did they want you to bring

[01:40:15,960]: It was just you need these type of clothes you need this type of equipment and show up here go all the way to the back to the black side and it’ll be a month long course if you make it

[01:40:29,940]: And so I showed up and did the vetting course

[01:40:34,900]: At Blackwater

[01:40:35,720]: At Blackwater

[01:40:37,060]: Yep

[01:40:39,320]: And made it

[01:40:40,440]: What’d you think of the vetting course

[01:40:42,660]: It was tough

[01:40:44,240]: Really

[01:40:44,800]: Yeah it was tough

[01:40:46,080]: Having been through buds you thought it was tough

[01:40:47,700]: It wasn’t tough like that

[01:40:49,460]: It wasn’t like you have to prove well you do have to prove yourself

[01:40:53,920]: It wasn’t like a they’re not yelling at you and screaming and kicking you around and all that kind of shit

[01:40:59,500]: It is a demonstration of your skills and if you cannot demonstrate your skills to the highest level then you go home

[01:41:08,860]: And What kind of skills

[01:41:11,460]: Shooting skills driving skills close quarters combat that’s entering a room and clearing buildings and rooms and stuff working with the team

[01:41:20,900]: How do you integrate in with all these other special ops guys

[01:41:24,900]: And so there’s a lot that goes to it into it

[01:41:28,180]: A lot of they put you in a lot of extremely stressful situations and you have to handle it flawlessly or you’ll be asked to leave

[01:41:39,900]: But the shooting qualifications were really tough

[01:41:46,240]: Really

[01:41:46,280]: Yeah

[01:41:47,860]: Yeah

[01:41:49,860]: Yeah

[01:41:50,420]: The shooting qualifications were really tough

[01:41:52,720]: And so was the CQB the close quarters combat

[01:41:55,820]: So one of the exercises they had this thing called the hooded box drill and they basically put you in a room like this and they would tape a square and you have to stand in the square and they give you either a rifle or a pistol and they have like fake flashbangs going off smoke yelling screaming role players and they put a hood over your head on a string

[01:42:28,900]: So this hood goes over your head

[01:42:30,260]: You can’t see anything

[01:42:31,300]: It’s dark

[01:42:31,880]: There’s strobes

[01:42:32,660]: There’s all kinds of shit going on

[01:42:34,080]: And you can hear like all these screams and all this stuff going on and you are not allowed to leave the box

[01:42:44,320]: And so they set up the scenario and they lift the hood over your head and then you have to deal with the scenario

[01:42:54,740]: So like I think the very first scenario put the hood over my head and there’s all these people in there

[01:43:01,600]: I can hear them and they lift the hood up on the string and there’s a guy like closer than for me to you right now with a gun with a rifle

[01:43:14,700]: As soon as the hood goes up he snaps my head

[01:43:18,400]: You’re wearing a helmet but he snaps my head with the muzzle of his rifle

[01:43:22,860]: We call it a muzzle snap or a muzzle strike and it knocks me back and then there’s all these people in there that this guy’s armed this guy’s unarmed

[01:43:31,780]: There’s a female over there with a burqa on and you don’t know what’s underneath and you got another guy with a person with a gun in their head

[01:43:39,700]: People are shooting at you and you have to deal and process all that information not killing innocent not killing unknown and deal with the situation

[01:43:50,320]: And then they call you back to your box back to the box and it’s very unemotional

[01:43:55,100]: They’re not like hey you could have done this better or why didn’t you do that

[01:44:00,220]: It’s either get the fuck out of here or we’re going to run a scenario

[01:44:04,400]: And then you come back to the box and they put the hood back over your head and then lift the hood and you’re in a totally different scenario

[01:44:13,440]: And it might be the next scenario they lift up nobody’s shooting at you everybody’s calm or people are yelling and shit and shooting their guns up in the air and you have to figure out who’s a threat who’s an unknown who’s an innocent who’s a blue helmet which would be an asset of ours

[01:44:36,720]: You obviously can’t kill the asset

[01:44:39,840]: And so they run you through a number of scenarios there doing that and a lot of people fail that

[01:44:47,720]: But you did not fail

[01:44:49,140]: No

[01:44:50,460]: Did you enjoy it

[01:44:51,860]: Yeah it was challenging

[01:44:53,040]: I like to be challenged

[01:45:01,820]: It’s really hard to put you in an environment that can be as stressful as what combat is

[01:45:11,440]: And when you’re in combat the decision making has to be on point and very precise

[01:45:17,690]: And they did a great job of simulating that kind of stress that you’re going to deal with when it’s actually for real

[01:45:25,620]: And so I thought it was a great drill

[01:45:29,100]: What kind of guys were at the training facility

[01:45:31,180]: All former SOF

[01:45:32,220]: So it was all SEALs SF Delta Dev Group a couple of Rangers MARSOC which is Marine I think that covers it

[01:45:49,960]: So highest level that the U S military produces

[01:45:52,680]: Yeah

[01:45:52,960]: And you had to have that background just to be able to try out for this specific contract

[01:46:00,040]: What was the contract

[01:46:02,180]: They called it the OGA contract which was the CIA contract

[01:46:06,660]: What’s OGA stand for

[01:46:08,100]: Other Government Agency

[01:46:13,480]: So you get it

[01:46:17,400]: So are you still thinking about Jimmy John’s at this point or has the box drill just wiped that from your memory

[01:46:22,020]: No no

[01:46:22,560]: I was still thinking about it

[01:46:27,200]: But so yeah so then at the end you find out that it is for CIA and you’d already had your new clearances done and they give you dates kick out the door

[01:46:45,020]: How long was the commitment and where did you go

[01:46:47,240]: There’s no commitment

[01:46:49,720]: At least not that I remember but first trip was to Kabul Afghanistan and you can do kind of I mean Blackwater I think had 60 day minimum deployments

[01:47:07,980]: So you could do up to maybe a hundred something days

[01:47:13,580]: And so some guys go and they do a hundred something days they come home for a week and then they’re right back out

[01:47:19,580]: And then there’s guys that do 60 on 60 off

[01:47:24,020]: And so you just kind of come up with your cadence and go

[01:47:28,460]: What were you doing for CIA in Kabul

[01:47:32,140]: So when I started this it was a protective unit

[01:47:37,040]: And so like the guys that fought in Benghazi that’s the program that I was in

[01:47:44,440]: And so it kind of started off as a protective type detail for actual operatives cause there is no I mean there is no Jason Bourne over there

[01:47:56,160]: That’s why they need people like me because it takes two people to be a Jason Bourne

[01:48:01,260]: And so we would help case officers plan their operations plan their meets stuff like that conduct and then conduct surveillance conduct counter surveillance get them kind of whatever they need

[01:48:16,920]: And at the beginning it was and I wasn’t really near the beginning

[01:48:21,060]: I mean I think I started contracting in 2007

[01:48:24,720]: So the war had been going on for what about six years

[01:48:29,260]: And so towards the beginning I guess but it was real pain in the ass because I mean at the beginning of the war you had all these case officers coming in and they’re fresh out of school and they don’t really understand the environment that they’re in

[01:48:46,120]: They don’t think they need us until they need us

[01:48:49,680]: And then they’re screaming for us

[01:48:51,660]: But a lot of case officers and chiefs of station and deputy chiefs of station that would be the head guy head CIA guy in country they kind of saw us as a hindrance to their operations until shit started happening like Benghazi Coast a lot of these tragic events that happened

[01:49:10,900]: And then every once in a while you’d get like a really good sorry so let’s backtrack a little more

[01:49:16,680]: So you get a lot of these and then you get the old timers that are coming in from the Cold War and they’re used to working in a semi permissive environment or a permissive environment where they don’t need that kind of shit

[01:49:26,740]: They can just go and meet their assets and drink their fucking coffee

[01:49:31,040]: They were in Vienna in the 70s

[01:49:32,680]: Exactly exactly

[01:49:33,560]: Those types

[01:49:34,410]: And then they go to Afghanistan Iraq Yemen Pakistan all these types of places

[01:49:42,180]: And they bring that mindset with them and it’s like hey bud that shit isn’t going to work here

[01:49:46,640]: So these people fucking hate you

[01:49:51,010]: But every once in a while you’d get a guy who was a retired Green Beret or a retired special operations Marine or a SEAL or whoever

[01:50:00,300]: And they would look at the program that I was in and they would realize like these guys are all special ops

[01:50:11,920]: They have a lot of capability that we’re not utilizing them for

[01:50:16,300]: And so then things started getting added to the plate

[01:50:19,740]: You know they’re like hey could you guys do X Y or Z

[01:50:23,560]: And we’re like oh yeah we can do all of that

[01:50:25,300]: We just you guys just don’t utilize that capability because I don’t think you realize that everybody here is extremely capable

[01:50:34,540]: Not mall cops

[01:50:35,620]: And yeah

[01:50:36,720]: And so then they started using us for all kinds of stuff

[01:50:40,880]: And it was some places were interesting some places were an Xbox store

[01:50:48,960]: And meaning you just sit around and work out and play Xbox

[01:50:53,500]: But kind of depending where you’re at

[01:50:59,080]: What was the most interesting

[01:51:04,520]: How it all kind of works and some of the meetings that you sit in on and from a personal standpoint I’ve always been fascinated with how people live in extreme poverty and to see like just to see it and experience it and be a part of it try to blend into it was both a challenge and very fascinating

[01:51:34,760]: How long did you do this gig

[01:51:37,400]: Right around I think it was a little less than nine years

[01:51:41,960]: Nine years

[01:51:42,680]: Yeah

[01:51:43,540]: Oh it’s a long time

[01:51:44,920]: Yeah

[01:51:45,380]: Yeah

[01:51:45,960]: I took a little break

[01:51:47,300]: What did you think of the CIA

[01:51:49,880]: Once again same kind of thing that I thought of the SEAL teams this isn’t what it is cracked up to be

[01:51:59,880]: Like here’s an example

[01:52:02,300]: First day I get there and I’m just trying to get the lay of the land

[01:52:09,820]: I don’t want to like talk too much shit because there are some very capable people and like us like you get in the country you don’t even do anything for the first two weeks

[01:52:22,400]: They’re like here’s a map here’s some keys other keys over there

[01:52:28,120]: So you don’t burn any of our cars take a different one every day

[01:52:32,600]: And you need to know this entire city every back road every road name every venue everything everything about this city you need to know

[01:52:42,640]: And if you don’t know it in two weeks then you’re out

[01:52:45,580]: And so you pair up with another guy that’s never been in country and you just hit the roads and you know everything about that city

[01:52:56,240]: Kind of dangerous white guys driving around Kabul pretty obvious

[01:53:00,160]: It is

[01:53:00,520]: I mean it is

[01:53:01,440]: You don’t always dress up like white guys but in a place like Kabul or Baghdad there’s diplomats from every country out there State Department CIA NSA DEA FBI and the equivalent of that in every NATO country right

[01:53:23,370]: So there’s diplomats everywhere

[01:53:25,950]: So sometimes your cover might be your diplomat in State Department

[01:53:31,120]: And sometimes depending on where you’re at you might be dressed up in Muslim garm

[01:53:39,210]: And I mean they trick the vehicles out so they look local

[01:53:43,850]: And so it’s I mean you can blend in

[01:53:46,930]: You’re not going to like you’re not going to blend in you know running around the But you’ll at first glance it’ll pass

[01:53:57,570]: And so that’s what you do

[01:53:59,450]: You learn everything everything about the city

[01:54:02,370]: I know a lot of these places better than I know my hometown

[01:54:07,910]: Nine years

[01:54:09,290]: So what countries were you working in over that period

[01:54:12,470]: I spent the majority of my time in Yemen Iraq and Afghanistan

[01:54:19,950]: What’s Yemen like

[01:54:21,770]: It’s my favorite place to work

[01:54:24,930]: Why

[01:54:25,550]: Because it is the poorest country in the Middle East and probably the most dangerous

[01:54:34,850]: And it was I just I loved I felt like I was doing more there than anywhere else

[01:54:43,990]: And it was you had to take tradecraft extremely seriously

[01:54:50,050]: Very tribal country

[01:54:51,710]: The North is completely different than the South

[01:54:53,910]: And you had to learn the cultures of both so that if you’re operating in the North that you know how to dress like the Northerners do

[01:55:01,850]: You have to dress like how the Southerners do down in Aden and try to blend in

[01:55:07,830]: And it’s also like a spy game there

[01:55:10,130]: I mean the Russians were there the Iranians were there the Chinese were there

[01:55:13,730]: And so you’re trying to figure out where they’re operating out of what their safe houses look like

[01:55:20,490]: Chinese were always super easy to identify because you would just be passing through Yemen and all these mud huts or safe houses or just houses

[01:55:29,910]: And you drive by the Chinese compound every single time they have 120 antennas on the roof

[01:55:37,550]: It’s like nice one guys

[01:55:40,430]: But it would get I mean and it’s so you’re conducting normal operations and dealing with terrorists and assets and all that kind of stuff you know for the main initiative

[01:55:54,990]: But on the other hand you’re also having to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance from the Russians from the Chinese from the Iranians any other key players that are in those countries and have to know who’s who

[01:56:09,110]: And they’re spying on us and we’re spying on it’s very complex

[01:56:15,230]: Did you chew gut when you were there

[01:56:17,690]: No but I bought some

[01:56:19,890]: But you never tried it

[01:56:20,650]: No I never tried it

[01:56:21,890]: But the whole country is hooked on it right

[01:56:23,510]: Yeah

[01:56:24,110]: You would I mean it’s yeah you would see these guys and just the whole population and I mean they would just be so zonked out on that

[01:56:35,630]: You see them in a shitty taxi drive they’re not even blinking and flies are landing on their fucking eyes

[01:56:41,510]: And it’s like holy shit man people live like this

[01:56:44,810]: This is crazy

[01:56:48,150]: And yeah it was you just never know who you’re going to run into over there either

[01:56:53,070]: I mean

[01:56:53,450]: What do you mean

[01:56:54,170]: I mean I would see I would like other operators like I’d see I’d see guys that are in safe houses from other units that are over there

[01:57:09,010]: And I would see like their call sign up on the board and I’d be like is that who I think it is

[01:57:16,810]: Oh shit I haven’t seen him since like Bud’s when I was in the SEAL team

[01:57:20,610]: And I’d call over there and be like hey get up on the roof

[01:57:23,290]: I want to see him

[01:57:24,170]: We’d have a phone conversation looking at each other waving from rooftop to rooftop

[01:57:28,250]: Like what go over and meet him

[01:57:30,270]: What are you guys getting into tonight

[01:57:32,230]: They’d be running operations and killing bad guys

[01:57:36,030]: And it was just it was very unique and complex to be able to work there

[01:57:41,970]: So you probably knew the Houthis existed before the rest of us

[01:57:45,750]: Yeah

[01:57:46,330]: What do you think of the Houthis

[01:57:48,570]: I mean I don’t really follow up on it too much these days but I mean they took over that damn country

[01:57:55,369]: In no time I mean they yanked the I can’t remember if he was a president or a prime minister or whatever but they took the whole country when we were there in like a matter of hours

[01:58:09,089]: And so they were really effective and woke up one day and all these new checkpoints are out

[01:58:16,809]: The guy got yanked out of the palace by the Houthis and on a totally different dynamic in less than 24 hours

[01:58:27,509]: Were you ever afraid when you were there

[01:58:29,489]: Yeah a lot

[01:58:33,229]: Did Americans ever get hurt when you were there

[01:58:37,389]: No

[01:58:40,409]: Interesting

[01:58:40,829]: You wound up in Latin America

[01:58:42,549]: We got shot at a lot and car bombs at the gates and shit like that but not any heavy casualties no deaths

[01:58:52,569]: How’d you wind up in South America

[01:58:56,909]: Well when I left I was very addicted to adrenaline and went down to Columbia

[01:59:07,129]: I’d always wanted when I joined the SEAL teams I was really inspired by the Vietnam generation

[01:59:12,869]: I just like was infatuated with that stuff as a kid watched all the documentaries of all the SEALs in Vietnam and Green Berets and I just wanted to do jungle warfare

[01:59:23,829]: And so the closest I could get to that was running counter drug operations out of Columbia when I joined the SEAL teams and then 9 11 happened

[01:59:35,069]: So definitely wasn’t going down there

[01:59:39,929]: And so I had broken up with a girlfriend and I was like you know what I’m going to go down there and check it out

[01:59:51,249]: And so I went down there for a little over a week loved it had the time of my life doing nothing Christian based

[02:00:01,109]: And Where

[02:00:02,629]: Cartagena is where I started and then went home had a surgery and I was sitting at a bar in Cape Coral Florida listening to a bunch of lazy entitled Americans talk about their opinion of the war and all this other shit

[02:00:24,209]: I just got so fucking tired of listening to the shit on people’s opinions that had never been there had never done it had never lost anybody probably had never even faced any type of hardship in their life and they’re just judging me and all of my friends

[02:00:39,209]: And I was like you know what I’m fucking out of here man

[02:00:43,009]: So I put my house on the market and went back down to Cartagena stayed with a friend

[02:00:50,129]: The Secret Service scandal happened down there remember that

[02:00:53,609]: Yep

[02:00:54,069]: And which kind of put it on the map for people to come visit and to go do bad things

[02:01:06,949]: And it became very Americanized and I was like ah I don’t want to be anywhere near Americans at all

[02:01:14,049]: And so I checked a lot of spots out around Colombia I went to Cali I went to Pareda I went to Medellin and then camped out in Medellin for about four years

[02:01:28,409]: And doing what

[02:01:34,289]: Doing what

[02:01:35,769]: Living a rock star life

[02:01:38,249]: And a lot of cocaine a lot of girls a lot of basically what I was doing was chasing my adrenaline because I wanted to feel that all the time

[02:01:51,069]: It creates some type of imbalance in your brain when you have that many adrenaline dumps and it’s very much like a heroin addiction

[02:02:01,349]: And so I went down there and I started doing a lot of shit that I shouldn’t be doing buying drugs

[02:02:07,069]: That became a big rush buying and sourcing and cocaine

[02:02:13,729]: And so that’s how I would get my thrills

[02:02:17,549]: Was that what you were doing for a living

[02:02:20,949]: No it wasn’t for a living man

[02:02:22,709]: It was for the rush

[02:02:25,049]: And so I’ve talked about this on a couple of other podcasts but there’s a lot of rumors going around that I was down there working for CIA setting up these drug networks when yes they do do that but no I was by myself on my own program

[02:02:43,789]: And I’ve always been fascinated with narcos and kingpins and cartels

[02:02:51,069]: And it’s like it was a major rush for me to go into the worst neighborhoods in Columbia and start setting up networks

[02:03:06,349]: And I mean it’s extremely dangerous for a gringo to be

[02:03:12,309]: I would go in neighborhoods where you couldn’t get into the neighborhood without going through at least two checkpoints

[02:03:22,529]: And so I would just I would go in there I would hang out I would talk to people I would buy drugs cocaine bringing it back to my place do them all then go get more go get more

[02:03:37,189]: What does cocaine cost

[02:03:39,109]: Five bucks a gram

[02:03:43,169]: So about a 20th of what it costs in the United States

[02:03:47,469]: And so what I saw you know back to my entrepreneurial branch is you know what it was going to be is you know you get I put mention that you know Secret Service kind of put sex vacations on the map for Which is not technically their job right

[02:04:08,929]: For rich white people to come down there and take advantage of that

[02:04:15,449]: And you know down there I mean prostitution and these type of things they’re not looked at like they are here

[02:04:23,609]: It’s an actual legitimate career

[02:04:28,149]: And so you get these guys that come down and that’s all they want to do they want cocaine but they’re all scared to talk to the Colombians because they think they’re all cartel and they’re all going to chop your head off

[02:04:38,689]: And so what I was going to be was an intermediary and basically Sort of the maitre d of Medellin

[02:04:44,929]: Like I’ll deal with all these people and I’ll get you what you want and you can just talk to me

[02:04:53,549]: For a fee

[02:04:54,749]: For a fee

[02:04:56,249]: Did you do that

[02:04:57,489]: No

[02:04:59,149]: Why

[02:05:00,369]: Because I got sloppy and I got ran out of there by the Colombian version of the FBI

[02:05:10,649]: Did you go to jail down there

[02:05:12,329]: No

[02:05:13,969]: As soon as I caught wind of it I left

[02:05:17,549]: And but I built a network from the ground up

[02:05:23,569]: And so just like how I was telling you I take care of my team right now and I want the best for them and I treat them with respect and I’m very giving

[02:05:34,729]: I was like that down there

[02:05:36,149]: And so starting with the doorman you know I mean I would live in these penthouses at the top story of the building wherever I was at

[02:05:45,189]: And I would make friends with all the guys that were at the door because they control who comes in and out of the building

[02:05:51,809]: And so if I went to the grocery store they got groceries

[02:05:55,289]: If I bought cocaine they got cocaine

[02:05:58,469]: If I went to go get booze they got booze

[02:06:01,209]: If I went to go get pizza they got a pizza

[02:06:05,089]: And so I just took care of them all the time because I knew it would get to the point where they would watch my ass

[02:06:13,109]: And so I did that and built a great rapport with them

[02:06:16,229]: And then you know nobody knows town better than taxis

[02:06:19,729]: And so I would take taxis and take taxis and try to develop relationship with different taxi guys that were not scared to go into Barrio Antioquia which is kind of the worst neighborhood down there

[02:06:33,969]: And I would have my girls help me make decisions and tell me about the different taxi drivers that they used to pick them up from the clubs and stuff like that when they were done working or partying or whatever

[02:06:53,789]: And so I developed a really good relationship with a couple of different taxi drivers and they would show me everything I need to know all the places that people don’t want to go

[02:07:05,269]: And I would get in with them and then I would get in with the dealers and then the dealers would introduce me to their mid dealer and then they would introduce me to their guy

[02:07:15,449]: And the network grew so big that if I went to other countries they would know who I was

[02:07:24,889]: And What were you doing for income

[02:07:27,669]: Well I made money contracting

[02:07:29,949]: And your money goes a lot farther down there than it does in the U S so I didn’t really need any until I blew it all

[02:07:43,309]: But so the story goes so that’s what I did and got in a lot of really hairy situations where I didn’t know if I was going to come out didn’t really care if I did

[02:07:58,009]: I kind of had the Hunter S Thompson mindset where if life gets too boring then I’ll just check out

[02:08:08,249]: And it was starting to get boring down there

[02:08:12,189]: I’d OD’d a couple times

[02:08:14,989]: And What’s a cocaine OD like

[02:08:17,449]: So a cocaine OD is you know when you I remember my best friend was down there for a little while with me and I would always think oh shit I probably did too much I’m going to die

[02:08:34,589]: And he got tired of me being paranoid about it and he goes look he’s like you don’t need to worry about ODing on cocaine until things start slowing down

[02:08:46,009]: When you’re on speed and things get slow that’s when you’re really riding the line

[02:08:53,149]: And that had happened to me a couple times where it sounded like my voice was in slow motion the people next to me that I was talking to all of a sudden sounded like the Will Ferrell thing where it was like and I’m like and you can’t talk you can’t get the words out that are in your head

[02:09:13,389]: And that’s when you know it’s about time the lights are going to go out

[02:09:18,909]: And they did go out

[02:09:22,029]: But How do you recover from that

[02:09:24,949]: Lots of volume

[02:09:26,389]: Yeah exactly

[02:09:29,809]: Lots of volume Xanax stuff like that

[02:09:33,249]: And so I had developed these everything got boring to me

[02:09:44,929]: So the women got boring it sounds weird to say that because it’s like you know but it did

[02:09:53,489]: It’s like there’s nothing that you could say that I had not done

[02:09:58,689]: And that got me to go deeper in and go to more dangerous places

[02:10:07,869]: And It doesn’t sound weird at all

[02:10:09,169]: It sounds absolutely right

[02:10:10,669]: There’s no satisfaction in that of course it gets boring

[02:10:14,689]: And so then I started looking up the most dangerous places in the world

[02:10:19,229]: And I looked up the most dangerous place in the world and it was San Pedro Sula in Honduras

[02:10:24,649]: So I went there and started to try to develop a network there just for the rush

[02:10:30,489]: What was that like

[02:10:33,029]: Got almost arrested on the first night

[02:10:36,649]: So it didn’t last long

[02:10:39,629]: Were there other Americans down there

[02:10:42,209]: In Honduras

[02:10:43,309]: Yeah

[02:10:44,249]: Not at that time which I thrived off that

[02:10:49,029]: It made me feel really alive like oh this is like uncharted territory

[02:10:54,589]: Nobody comes here because they’re scared to death

[02:10:56,509]: Did your dad ever text you to say hey what about the Jimmy John’s franchise we’re supposed to be doing

[02:11:00,549]: Nah because 2008 happened and so that it got called off at the very beginning of my contract career

[02:11:09,049]: And yeah and he went on to do other things and yeah

[02:11:14,069]: And I was frustrated but the money was really good contracting

[02:11:20,569]: And so I kind of got like stuck in this loop of like well I’ll just go over there and make a bunch of money and then do whatever the hell I want to do

[02:11:31,789]: And yeah so anyways so the last thing that got me and I was talking to my dad too

[02:11:42,509]: I knew I had a problem and I’m really close with my parents

[02:11:46,469]: My dad’s my hero and I would call him all fucked up on Coke or Valium or Xanax or hydrocodine or Oxy or whatever

[02:12:00,369]: And as always we’re drunk

[02:12:03,549]: And I would allude to my dad like I got to get the hell out of here I’m gonna die

[02:12:08,629]: And I wouldn’t remember a lot of these conversations I’d be totally blacked out

[02:12:16,269]: And he was trying to get me to go get some help

[02:12:20,989]: And I lied to him told him I was talking to this Vietnam guy about my experiences

[02:12:26,329]: And I was but that guy was a total mess too

[02:12:30,549]: And he was there for the same reason

[02:12:32,429]: Yeah exactly

[02:12:32,949]: No this wasn’t in Columbia

[02:12:34,249]: This was actually in Fort Lauderdale

[02:12:37,669]: Same difference

[02:12:40,949]: And I had there’s this place called what was it called Puente de los Locos or something which is Bridge of the Crazies

[02:12:52,609]: And so it was like all these like look like LA lots of tents under an overpass and crazy drug addicts who have no direction in life who are dirt poor

[02:13:07,809]: And had a bunch of girls with me and I went to that bridge and it stacked up a ton of cash and thought it would be a great idea to throw all the cash up and just watch these people like go to town to try to get it

[02:13:26,489]: And very very dangerous part of Medellin

[02:13:32,949]: And came back to my building walked through and the doorman came up and told me that the national police had come to question him about me and wanted my passport and all this shit and wanted to know who I was where I came from what I’m doing all of that stuff

[02:13:54,069]: And I was pissed

[02:13:54,869]: I was like man and the guy’s name was Freddy and I’m talking to him in Spanish and I’m like man I always take care of you I can’t believe you would you would try to suck more money out of me on this bullshit story

[02:14:14,849]: And he’s like no he was trying to tell me that they had bugged the light outside my door and which I couldn’t understand my Spanish wasn’t that good

[02:14:24,609]: But eventually I got what he was saying and I was like this is complete bullshit there’s no way

[02:14:31,989]: And he showed me he said they have a picture of you at the bridge throwing money in the air

[02:14:38,669]: And I had just come from there

[02:14:40,509]: And so at that point I knew that he wasn’t lying

[02:14:44,469]: I was like okay literally nobody knows that I did that because it was like 45 minutes ago

[02:14:51,729]: And the only people that would know is my taxi guy and the girls that were with me and the crazies that were living under the bridge

[02:14:59,869]: And so he had said that they had set up a observation basically an observation point at the building across from me and were watching me from that apartment

[02:15:14,749]: So I went up and identified it where it was flushed all the coke and went back into my previous life on surveillance and counter surveillance

[02:15:31,429]: And I did a counter surveillance route to a couple of different internet cafes bought a couple of tickets to different places outside of the country and hauled ass to the airport got out of there and never went back

[02:15:44,569]: That day

[02:15:45,269]: Yeah

[02:15:46,329]: It was decisive

[02:15:48,329]: Yeah

[02:15:49,049]: Yeah

[02:15:49,569]: It’s your hooded box training

[02:15:50,869]: Yeah

[02:15:52,229]: Yeah

[02:15:52,829]: So that’s that’s that’s that’s how that ended

[02:15:56,829]: How long between that moment and the beginning of your podcast

[02:16:02,249]: Not long

[02:16:03,709]: Oh the podcast

[02:16:15,329]: Probably a couple of years

[02:16:17,549]: So it that wasn’t that long ago

[02:16:20,309]: Yeah

[02:16:20,649]: You were leading a life that bears no resemblance at all to the life you’re leading right now

[02:16:24,489]: Yeah

[02:16:24,709]: Like at all

[02:16:25,189]: Yeah

[02:16:25,869]: It took it took a lot of work you know

[02:16:29,229]: It took a lot of work to to clean myself up and and find a productive direction to start running

[02:16:37,749]: And and and once once I discovered business that became my new addiction

[02:16:46,989]: What do you make of the claim that you’re still working for CIA

[02:16:51,509]: I think it’s I mean whatever people are going to think what they think

[02:16:57,809]: But people don’t understand how it works over there

[02:17:01,189]: And so I mean there’s a part of me that understands it

[02:17:05,649]: I’m like all right like I didn’t really come out of nowhere

[02:17:09,769]: You know what I mean

[02:17:10,509]: I mean a lot of people say like oh this guy just pops on the map and like fucking gets ginormous

[02:17:15,149]: And it’s like ah you didn’t see all the backend work that it took to get here

[02:17:19,809]: And I started this in my attic as a one man team and then taught my wife out of film and it was me and her and we only did nine interviews for the first year and a half because I was editing sound video cutting previews doing social media packages doing distribution doing the research interviewing you know all of that stuff

[02:17:43,349]: And so

[02:17:45,208]: I mean I think it’s you know it really pisses me off is when somebody that I am paying attention to because they’re bringing things out that I’m into they’re going down rabbit holes and conspiracy stuff that a lot of time winds up to be true

[02:18:05,088]: But then and I think we’re all on the same team and then I’ll see him throw something out like Sean Ryan’s a CIA shill and it’s like dude I just I was like totally fucking bought in on what you’re bringing to the table and all of your research

[02:18:20,168]: It was like really good stuff and I thought it was trustworthy but when you throw something like that out there you’ve just discredited yourself to me because you have no fucking proof because I’m not one

[02:18:31,508]: And now I don’t believe anything that you say because if you’re just going to loose or you’re fucking throwing out that you have not verified

[02:18:42,788]: I’ve had some more experiences

[02:18:45,028]: I do think that people are paranoid because it is true that the CIA operates against you know the Constitution against the law in the United States and it does try and shape news coverage

[02:19:00,528]: Like that’s a fact

[02:19:01,328]: Yeah

[02:19:02,668]: No I mean I know that that happens and happens all the time but at the same time if you’ve listened to me I’ve been extremely hard on CIA and I’ve talked about things that they have done that make me very paranoid after the interview

[02:19:24,748]: Like we I can’t remember if we discussed that an hour ago or if that was last night at dinner but I mean that happens and all the fucking time all over the world

[02:19:39,828]: But you know but nobody is ever able to pinpoint exactly why they think that

[02:19:45,768]: They just throw it out

[02:19:47,108]: Like there was it really grew traction after I interviewed the founder of Palantir

[02:19:53,308]: And because I mean people think that’s a big war machine and a losing my train of thought here the military industrial complex type company and but I mean guess what buddy

[02:20:11,908]: Like we need innovators and we have to innovate

[02:20:14,988]: We can’t just be doing the same old shit and I want to know how we’re innovating our military capabilities and our intelligence capabilities and that’s a big part of it

[02:20:27,428]: And it you know to be honest with you it gives me comfort knowing that we are still innovating as much red tape as we have to deal with and I think that that’s what gives me a glimmer of hope when we’re talking about global domination and China and all that kind of stuff

[02:20:46,308]: Yeah

[02:20:46,868]: And with people don’t even under I don’t know why Palantir has such a bad rep

[02:20:50,888]: Maybe you know something that I don’t but I mean to me that was fucking genius

[02:20:55,648]: It speeds up the decision making process

[02:20:58,148]: It speeds up the intelligence gathering

[02:21:00,508]: We’re able to access information you know lightning speed to be ahead of whoever our adversary is

[02:21:07,488]: I mean people are mad at Palantir because they disagree with U S foreign policy and I think that’s kind of the main from what I can tell

[02:21:15,608]: I’m hardly an expert on the subject

[02:21:18,848]: But I think that it’s I mean not to be a conspiracy nut but your you know public performance over the past five and a half years has you know been run counter to the aims of the CIA I would say

[02:21:34,128]: I mean it has

[02:21:35,988]: And so to tell people that you yourself are working for the CIA secretly is a way to discredit you

[02:21:43,748]: But if I were the CIA I would be encouraging I guess is what I’m saying

[02:21:47,008]: Yeah that’s a good point

[02:21:47,948]: That is a good point

[02:21:48,928]: I mean I’m very hostile to the CIA

[02:21:51,988]: I’ve said that many many times and it doesn’t stop people from claiming that I secretly work there

[02:21:56,048]: Yeah

[02:21:56,348]: So and I’ve always thought that maybe that was

[02:21:59,748]: I mean I’ve challenged people too because I think about it

[02:22:03,088]: I mean it would be impossible you know I mean they might

[02:22:12,128]: They might have somebody an operative do a five hour interview

[02:22:18,328]: And they might say hey this is all we need you to get in that interview

[02:22:25,208]: It’s this one fucking sentence

[02:22:29,788]: And so the whole other five hours could be complete bullshit except for the one little thing that they want injected into that interview to create some type of a narrative

[02:22:40,688]: And I’m always trying to look out for that but it would be impossible it would be impossible to figure out what exactly that is if that operative is good

[02:22:51,128]: And they’ll do other things like

[02:22:54,948]: They may do other things like hey we know that this happened

[02:23:00,068]: You’re going to go to this show and you’re going to talk about this

[02:23:05,048]: And then two weeks from now that’s going to come out in the media or we’ll wait until the interviewer releases that specific episode

[02:23:16,088]: And then two weeks after we’re going to release this to the press

[02:23:19,928]: And then they’re going to say this was said on this show by this person before it ever came out of the media

[02:23:28,268]: And then when it comes out in the media because right everybody hates the media but they still fucking watch it all the time

[02:23:35,348]: That builds credibility to the operative

[02:23:37,808]: You know what I mean

[02:23:38,448]: And then they

[02:23:40,468]: And then

[02:23:41,128]: Oh I know what you mean

[02:23:42,148]: Okay

[02:23:42,588]: You’re tracking

[02:23:43,928]: Oh I’m watching it all around me

[02:23:46,648]: Do you feel that

[02:23:48,388]: Have you ever had a guest where you thought huh really that this person might be acting on behalf of an intel agency

[02:23:58,608]: Mm hmm

[02:23:59,288]: Had a couple of them

[02:24:01,618]: Any confirmation on that

[02:24:04,628]: You know gut instinct

[02:24:06,748]: I don’t want to name a bunch of names because if they’re not I don’t want to

[02:24:13,148]: You know

[02:24:13,668]: But I just did a really good interview with this guy Blaram Skoro who was an asset

[02:24:20,288]: He got recruited out of prison

[02:24:22,008]: And then he got recruited in prison by the CIA to right after 9 11 to make friends with all of the Muslim Brotherhood all the terrorists that were in there

[02:24:36,448]: And so he built a network in there

[02:24:38,848]: And then when he got out of prison and so he would report back to the agency about like hey this is what this guy has done

[02:24:45,328]: This is what he’s a part of

[02:24:46,568]: These are the people he talks to because they all trusted him because this guy basically became like the head mullah of the prison system

[02:24:55,448]: And when he got out agency gets back in touch with him and said hey you’re going to use this network and your cover is going to be you’re building an al Qaeda cell in Macedonia

[02:25:13,188]: And so he would set up shop in Macedonia and he would go into Pakistan and go into Afghanistan and Syria Iraq Iran all these Russia all these places

[02:25:24,288]: And he would meet with the head the head of the Haqqani network the head of the Taliban the head of al Qaeda like very he didn’t meet specifically with bin Laden but he’s like one step away

[02:25:41,228]: And That’s so dangerous John

[02:25:43,168]: No kidding man

[02:25:44,208]: That’s the real Jason Bourne shit right there

[02:25:46,968]: And what he would do is say hey you know I’m recruiting because I’m setting up a terrorist cell in Macedonia and then they would give him all of these weapons

[02:25:59,508]: They give him bombs rocket launchers guns mines you name it

[02:26:03,728]: And then basically what he would do is tell him that that shipment is he would take care of logistics and to get that to Macedonia

[02:26:11,168]: But what he would really do is get it to the agency and then supposedly they would destroy it

[02:26:17,448]: What do you say supposedly they would destroy it

[02:26:19,548]: Well who knows

[02:26:20,588]: You know I don’t know

[02:26:22,128]: But because I don’t trust them but the so then he has an assassination attempt

[02:26:33,308]: CIA cuts him

[02:26:35,728]: He gets pissed off

[02:26:36,848]: He’s still pissed off rightly so

[02:26:40,528]: At the same time I’m like how do you think this works man

[02:26:44,268]: Like you got burned

[02:26:46,888]: They don’t use burned assets

[02:26:48,628]: Like you’re irrelevant at this point

[02:26:52,228]: And then he started telling me about getting uranium out of Russia

[02:26:59,908]: And so we kind of had this discussion

[02:27:02,628]: And you know Russia is a big obviously a big topic of discussion

[02:27:06,908]: Some people think we should be in Ukraine

[02:27:08,588]: Some people don’t

[02:27:10,868]: And some people think Russia is our ally

[02:27:13,468]: Some people don’t

[02:27:15,448]: And I’m kind of like this isn’t really our war

[02:27:19,048]: Why are we involved

[02:27:19,748]: But I said well what are they going to do with these

[02:27:24,068]: And he said that they wanted to get him into the U S and it would blow it would kill half a million people

[02:27:30,288]: And I asked him if he thought he’d done that

[02:27:32,988]: But it didn’t really fit in the interview

[02:27:35,748]: It didn’t fit

[02:27:36,568]: You know what I mean

[02:27:37,728]: Did not fit in the interview

[02:27:38,608]: Do I know what you mean

[02:27:39,248]: Yes

[02:27:39,508]: In fact I was just thinking that as you were speaking

[02:27:41,848]: Like we’re talking about all these other things

[02:27:43,748]: I don’t trust this for a second

[02:27:45,128]: And then all of a sudden we get to Russia

[02:27:47,248]: And so I just called him right there on the interview

[02:27:49,328]: I was like you know what goes through my mind

[02:27:52,028]: I said when’s the last time you had contact with CIA

[02:27:55,308]: It was exactly what I was just thinking

[02:27:56,808]: And he said January 16th or something in 2022

[02:28:04,428]: Like knew the exact date and got really flustered

[02:28:08,628]: And I mean I would probably be flustered too if somebody just said that and I wasn’t

[02:28:16,488]: But I said you know what goes through my head is what if somebody contacted you knowing you were coming on the show to say that you were getting uranium to Al Qaeda to sneak into our country to blow us up

[02:28:30,368]: A lot of people want to see us go to war with Russia

[02:28:34,988]: Did he tell you that Iran was trying to assassinate Donald Trump too

[02:28:38,288]: No

[02:28:38,668]: That’s my favorite

[02:28:40,248]: No

[02:28:40,808]: Iran is trying to assassinate Donald Trump

[02:28:43,068]: Yeah

[02:28:43,828]: Okay

[02:28:46,588]: But I called him on it because it didn’t fit in the interview

[02:28:49,608]: And it was almost like shit I lost my opportunity to insert this into the interview

[02:28:54,288]: So now I got to swing for the fence and just drop it

[02:28:57,088]: And it just immediately clicked in my brain

[02:29:00,148]: And then I got paranoid again

[02:29:02,028]: I’m like Jeremy sorry buddy you got to fucking switch your phone out

[02:29:05,348]: Like you’ve been texting with this guy who knows what came in

[02:29:11,048]: But I mean you never really know what’s going to be a gut instinct

[02:29:15,448]: But I wanted to say that out loud

[02:29:19,228]: Because if they’re watching and they probably are then they know that I’m a target

[02:29:27,868]: So I’m a little bit shocked

[02:29:29,528]: I sort of knew the rough outlines of your life but I didn’t realize like 20 minutes ago you were living in Columbia

[02:29:35,708]: And then you were on the road

[02:29:36,688]: I mean this just happened not 20 years ago like seven years ago

[02:29:41,468]: Yeah

[02:29:43,288]: So that’s got to be one of the hardest pivots one of the most profound transformations I’ve ever seen

[02:29:50,688]: I don’t really kind of know anyone who’s come this far in a separate direction in such a short period of time

[02:29:56,928]: You’re not even 50

[02:29:58,568]: Where do you think it goes from here

[02:30:02,228]: Who knows man

[02:30:03,168]: I do want to say something though

[02:30:05,748]: I think a lot of people think that kind of shit that I was doing down in Columbia is cool and it’s adventurous

[02:30:10,528]: And yeah there was a lot of adrenaline

[02:30:13,128]: It was a good time

[02:30:14,488]: It was definitely adventurous good or bad

[02:30:17,028]: I think we can say that was adventurous

[02:30:19,628]: But it was a I mean who knows where I would be if I didn’t do that

[02:30:24,908]: And I would have started this earlier and it’s just no way to live

[02:30:30,408]: And everybody that you think is your friend is fake

[02:30:33,768]: And everybody just wants to take advantage of you

[02:30:36,808]: And once you get through the initial phase of oh man this is like the coolest life

[02:30:41,868]: It’s the loneliest fucking life that you can lead

[02:30:44,768]: And I almost died because of it several times

[02:30:50,268]: And how would it have turned up if I would have OD’d in one of those penthouses and my parents who I love so much and finds out oh yeah there’s our son the Navy SEAL CIA contractor decomposing in a fucking penthouse in Columbia because he OD’d on cocaine

[02:31:08,428]: And that scenario went through my head a lot of times

[02:31:12,848]: And so I just I don’t wanna encourage anybody to do that

[02:31:16,928]: That was a low point in my life and something I’m not proud of

[02:31:21,728]: And You’ve been a I would say pretty vocal advocate for sobriety in this job

[02:31:29,528]: How many of the guys who work for you are sober

[02:31:34,528]: Almost the majority of the team

[02:31:36,628]: I think there’s two guys that drink

[02:31:40,408]: Do you think sobriety’s gonna catch on as a way to live

[02:31:43,028]: Absolutely

[02:31:43,868]: I think it’s already catching

[02:31:45,068]: There’s a huge wave

[02:31:46,888]: It’s like the new thing to do it seems like

[02:31:49,968]: But Truly sober just like not using pills alcohol

[02:31:54,148]: Yeah

[02:31:57,328]: Do you think we’re in the middle of some kind of Christian revival

[02:32:03,648]: Absolutely 100

[02:32:04,728]: I mean have you seen the baptism parties that are going on at colleges that look like it looks like it’s a kegger crazy tailgate party and they’re baptizing people in the back of trucks

[02:32:18,568]: And yeah I think there’s a huge wave going on

[02:32:21,668]: I think so too

[02:32:23,028]: It’s cool to see

[02:32:24,708]: Do you think the US government can continue

[02:32:29,108]: Continue what

[02:32:30,748]: To exist

[02:32:32,708]: Do you think the current system can continue

[02:32:35,508]: I think it will continue

[02:32:37,968]: You do

[02:32:42,428]: Because it does feel like we’re moving towards something

[02:32:46,148]: Like a one world government

[02:32:47,668]: I’m not sure what I’m not sure what but it seems like so much changed in a short period of time

[02:32:53,188]: The scales falling for so many people realizing that you know what they believed was real is not

[02:33:00,308]: Questions people are asking the resurgence of Christianity in the country

[02:33:04,008]: I mean it all seems to be happening at once

[02:33:06,888]: And I know you know in every age people think the end is near but does that ever occur to you

[02:33:13,068]: I think it will I think it will continue to exist until people no longer have the appetite for it to exist

[02:33:24,808]: You think we’re pretty far from that

[02:33:29,268]: Yeah

[02:33:31,288]: Goes back to critical thinking

[02:33:33,348]: Yeah maybe that’s right

[02:33:36,468]: Last question because I can’t resist I know you spent a lot of your time talking about this but having fired every firearm been trained on every firearm what are your favorite firearms

[02:33:47,188]: Favorite firearms

[02:33:47,868]: Yeah

[02:33:48,368]: I like lever actions

[02:33:50,088]: Come on

[02:33:51,868]: Now

[02:33:52,848]: I do too

[02:33:53,868]: They’re my favorite but like

[02:33:55,728]: I mean I’m tired of all the tactical black gun shit

[02:33:58,888]: I mean that was my life for 14 years you know

[02:34:01,948]: And but I have a lot of them

[02:34:07,128]: But I don’t get excited about them

[02:34:09,488]: I get excited about lever actions

[02:34:11,168]: Now if you’re going to ask me you know shit it’s the fan

[02:34:13,988]: What am I going to

[02:34:14,988]: It definitely isn’t going to be my lever action

[02:34:16,728]: It’s going to be my AR because I know that like the back of my hand and it’s a tool that I’m really good with

[02:34:24,088]: So

[02:34:25,168]: But when you shoot for fun with just open sights

[02:34:29,508]: Yeah

[02:34:30,848]: Open sights

[02:34:31,388]: You know what I really like is I don’t even know what it’s called but it’s a revolver

[02:34:35,988]: But it’s the you know you lift the little thing up and you have to load it one by one

[02:34:41,328]: Yeah

[02:34:41,328]: Like what is that

[02:34:42,328]: The 12 shot 22s that they the cowboy guns

[02:34:44,668]: I got a 45 long Colt one

[02:34:47,508]: Is it just single action

[02:34:49,248]: Yeah dude

[02:34:50,028]: I love it

[02:34:50,828]: I can’t hit a damn thing with it but

[02:34:53,348]: And it’s got the pin that you push the

[02:34:55,148]: Yes

[02:34:55,688]: The holes out with

[02:34:56,468]: Yes

[02:34:56,908]: I love that thing

[02:34:59,368]: Really

[02:34:59,948]: Yeah

[02:35:00,388]: Talk about your life going full circle

[02:35:02,528]: So you went from like you know some high tech Kimber to a single action

[02:35:06,868]: Yeah I love it

[02:35:08,488]: I love it

[02:35:09,068]: And you went from the AR platform to the lever

[02:35:11,588]: What do you what do you prefer

[02:35:13,688]: The lever gun chambered in

[02:35:16,368]: 357

[02:35:17,888]: I knew I liked

[02:35:19,228]: 357 revolve

[02:35:20,368]: Same ammo

[02:35:21,188]: Sidearm and long gun

[02:35:22,948]: That’s that’s my that’s my favorite pair right

[02:35:25,388]: And I I could see beneath the beneath the fame

[02:35:31,888]: I knew that you were the kind of man who preferred 357

[02:35:34,468]: I love it

[02:35:35,288]: The straight wall cartridge man

[02:35:37,408]: Sean Ryan thank you very much

[02:35:38,888]: Thank you

[02:35:40,288]: Thank you

[02:35:41,148]: It’s an honor being here

[02:35:41,868]: You’re one of you’re one of the people and this is not true for everybody but every time I see some marker of your like continued success I am thrilled

[02:35:49,568]: I’m thrilled by it

[02:35:50,368]: And I mean that

[02:35:51,068]: Well that means a hell of a lot

[02:35:52,188]: I’m not joking at all

[02:35:53,348]: I thought and part of it is just like my narcissism because I saw you because my nephew sent me a clip from you and I was like that guy’s really talented

[02:36:01,528]: I like knew instantly I knew you’d be successful

[02:36:05,428]: And the fact that you had no background whatsoever I didn’t quite realize how far you were

[02:36:09,388]: You did not go to Columbia School of Broadcasting

[02:36:14,388]: Your natural ability to interview people and to listen to them and to empathize with them

[02:36:21,588]: I it just came right off the screen

[02:36:23,028]: I was like that guy’s going to be a star

[02:36:24,408]: And you have been and I just find it thrilling

[02:36:26,188]: Thank you Tucker

[02:36:27,108]: Thank you

[02:36:27,368]: It means a lot

[02:36:28,428]: Thank you

[02:36:28,808]: And congratulations on all your success as well

[02:36:31,548]: It’s been cyclical

[02:36:33,768]: Oh and Alp can I just say I never do this

[02:36:37,268]: I’m proud to call this man an Alp user

[02:36:41,008]: Thanks

[02:36:41,468]: I love it

[02:36:47,908]: So it turns out that YouTube is suppressing this show

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[02:36:53,788]: But on another level it’s shocking

[02:36:55,368]: With everything that’s going on in the world right now all the change taking place in our economy and our politics with the wars we’re on the cusp of fighting right now Google has decided you should have less information rather than more

[02:37:08,108]: And that is totally wrong

[02:37:10,468]: It’s immoral

[02:37:11,488]: What can you do about it

[02:37:13,288]: Well we could whine about it

[02:37:14,768]: That’s a waste of time

[02:37:15,788]: We’re not in charge of Google

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